Talk:Coat (clothing)

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Confusingly, what was once called a coat is now commonly referred to as a jacket, as in a dinner jacket, although the original meaning is still used in tailoring—to mean the upper part of a suit, for example.

- What is now commonly called a coat—an outer layer of clothing such as a trench coat—is, in tailoring terms, correctly called an overcoat, since it is worn over the coat.

- A coat or rug is also a covering for domesticated animals; see, for example, dog coat.

In general:

Split human clothing and animal clothing on the disambig page, and linked to coat (dog) directly from there
Added history, external links and references, categories "clothing" and "fashion", lists of types of coats and jackets with links and definitions

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More types of coats and jackets

PKM 01:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the link to Basque! PKM 17:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

I'm not certain if this is the right place, but someone who knows is bound to edit this entry at some point; hopefull they'll read the description, too. What does "double-breasted" mean? I can think of many possible defs myself, but most of them rely on the less savory parts of my mind.

Double-breasted in clothing means having two fronts that overlap, usually with two parallel rows of buttons, to retain warmth where the garment closes in front, or to make the chest appear fuller when that is the fashion. - PKM 03:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

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- PKM 03:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coats and jackets are different: why mix them up in one article?

A coat is an outerwear garment. Nothing is worn over it. For formal clothing (the sort of thing you would wear with a suit) it is traditionally about knee length, although in recent decades shorter coats are also being worn. While a coat is primarily the kind of tailored garment you would wear with a suit, it is also sometimes used to refer to more informal outerwear such as an anorak that is below hip-length.

A jacket can be worn with outerwear. It is never more than about hip length. To me, a jacket means the top half of a suit, a blazer, or a sports jacket. Less commonly, a jacket might also be used to refer informally to a for example blouson style jacket that is around waist length that is worn as outerwear with only a shirt or pullover beneath.

I'm very confused why a norfolk jacket should be in an article about coats! You could wear an overcoat or raincoat over a a Norfolk jacket, so its not a coat! You wouldnt wear a coat over a coat.

Perhaps this has something to do with differences between British and American usage; perhaps also that Americans dress less formally than european adults so perhaps our vocabulary is more specific in this area.

I would suggest this article needs two experts in the british and american clothing industries to sort out the confusion. 62.253.52.193 17:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

As a very late response, I can say with some certainty that this distinction is not as you imagine it. Evening coats, morning coats, and frock coats are all examples of coats that are not outerwear. Unfortunately, I'm afraid I can't give an authoritative explanation of the difference, as I have, in fact, no understanding of it whatsoever. --William Ager 03:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The things is, in common everyday usage, most of us distinguish coats and jackets. But the top half of a suit is always a "coat" to a tailor, as is a "sports coat" (though not a "dinner jacket"...). Every day usage and usage by professionals in the clothing trades is different, and if anything the categories of "coat" and "jacket" overlap (and there are slightly different usages between the US and UK as well, I believe). - PKM 07:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't merge the two articles --Bushido Brown 23:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You know, it's a funny thing, but I don't know any British or American Clothing experts... Sincerely, Captain Vimes 01:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing photo

I am removing this photo from the article uploaded by User:Allyn. The photo does not add to a reader's understanding of the subject. It is a poor quality photo that the user took of himself, in which he is modelling garments he designs and sells on his personal website, in contradiction of Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Self-promotion. In addition, the photo is not encyclopedic. Although being an unusual design, is not enough to justify inclusion in an encycolpedia article - otherwise everyone that makes their own clothes could justify adding their work to articles. See Wikipedia:Notability.