Talk:Club (law enforcement)
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The section on the end about blows to noncritical areas causing possible death seems both redundant and is poorly written.
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[edit] Tools?
Is there a reason why this article refers to pepper spray, Tasers, and batons as "tools" instead of weapons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.36.20 (talk) 08:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- A weapon can be a tool used by certain people to do their job. --UsaSatsui (talk) 22:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Probably because calling it a weapon gives it a negative connotation. In much the same way that 'police force' sounds passive aggressive, whereas 'police service' simply sounds passive neutral. It's more of a deterrent in application anyway, whereas weapons intend to harm or outright kill with minimal effort. - NemFX (talk) 03:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Removed Section
[edit] Rapid rotation baton
Rapid rotation batons focus on handle characteristics that permit rapid and fluid grip changes as well as incorporating an additional hand protector and "rotator" to a normal tonfa in the form of a "cross-guard". It is purportedly effective as an extreme close quarter baton against grips, grabs, body holds and ground defense. It has recently been picked up by the Federal Bureau of Prisons for maximum custody use.
Roy Bedard, a Tallahassee Police officer, designed the RRB in 1995 due to his belief in that the current baton being offered was ineffective. The telescopic baton, usually known as the ASP baton, had a tendancy to collapse upon impact, and did not provide the user with a defensive position. The RRB is used by many different agencies, primarily for agencies who use community policing, due to the RRB's non-threatening carry position.
This section was removed because of notability issues: 12k on a google search, but 5 pages deep nothing but a couple forum posts, press releases from the manufacturer and a lot of stores selling it, or just links to the company's website. Certainly nothing to suggest actual usage numbers.
--98.224.250.238 (talk) 18:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Another Removed Section
[edit] Cuffing baton
A cuffing baton marries a baton design and an integrated handcuff. The baton itself is reminiscent of the steering wheel locking device commonly known as "the Club" - it has a long straight section and a "y-shaped" yoke at the other end. The yoke includes a triggered handcuff that can be remotely unlocked.
Notability issues here: no independent (non-press release) verification of Cuffing Baton's popularity, use, or innovative nature. --98.224.250.238 (talk) 18:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Expandable-Baton: Interesting Legal Paradox
While illegal for civilians in California (as far as I know. I don't know CA law very well), I don't know if they're illegal in many other American states. They are not illegal in Maryland, for example, due to (among other factors) an interesting paradox: If the law were to rule them a "deadly weapon" explicitly, it would cause liability issues for police officers. While in reality not intending to be deadly, every use of the baton by a police officer would automatically qualify as "deadly force," with all the mess that comes with it.
I don't know about other states though. I was intended to work that section to be a bit more balanced across the United States.Legitimus (talk) 18:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
