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GearedBull,

I believe the title "colophon" for this is incorrect. It is more at a "Club Crest" or a "Club Seal" (despite the nasty double entendre contained therein).

That written, it doesn't jibe with the definition of a Colophon that has been linked to. It does bear a passing resemblance to a "Press Mark" that would sometimes be associated with a Colophon, however, it is not that.

I would respectfully submit that this be renamed a "Club Crest".

HotType918 (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC) HotType918

Hi HotType918, their mark is actually a colophon in the sense of a printer's mark (like Manutius' anchor and dolphin). I am friends with their vice president, have collected several of their books, and know a bit regarding the club's use of the mark. They continue to publish, and use it on title pages and frequently too in a pattern for end papers. It is used much more in this manner than say applied to napkins, invitations, menus, or matchbooks as a club crest might (it isn't). It is primarily used as a printer's mark in the title pages of books and chapbooks. CApitol3 (talk) 21:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello CApital3,

Well, you're mixing things up. I appreciate your tangential association with the COV and I can boast a similar association, also collecting COV publications, being friends with a former Clark, and having just attended last Saturday's lunch as a guest being looked at for membership. I am also a member of the Society of Printers, a letterpress designer and printer, and in general practice, after examining the title page in any finer book, immediately gravitate to the colophon at the back for the salient production details.

Be that as it may, a Colophon is a set of words descriptive of the production surrounding a publication. A Colophon is not a printer's device, crest, coat of arms or any other pictorial element as you seek to assert. Correct, a colophon many times contains a mark such as the mark associated with the COV, although if you check the publications in your library, you will likely find that the device is present on the title page rather than in the colophon. (I'll wait while you check. tap tap.)

So, I respectfully maintain that terming the Club Seal, or Crest or Coat of Arms a "Colophon" is incorrect and should be edited appropriately.

HotType918 (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)HotType918

Hey there HotType918. No, I'm mixing nothing up. Wish that I were mixing a Manhattan on this cold day. I am familiar with its meaning as a note on the type, paper, printing, binding, etc. Our own local Houghton Mifflin's American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language definition does include production notes, but also states "A publisher's emblem or trademark placed usually on the title page of a book." In that definition it is a metonym for a printers device, not an ancillary suggestion of a place to place it. The wikipedia article includes its meaning as a printer's mark. Very best wishes on your admission to COV! Our wedding reception was held in the library and larger dining room. A happy memory of a wonderfully unique and real place. Print the proof of possibility! CApitol3 (talk) 22:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello CApital3. Actually, and unfortunately, your venerable and seemingly reliable reference "The American Heritage Dictionary" is incorrect, metonym or no. (Which it is not, except as a misnomer.) These things happen and well, meaning shifts or is lost, through misuse. As I have recently moved, much of my library is still packed, however I did dig out the tome I knew would settle this dispute. As reference supporting my initial premise that "colophon" is an incorrect term for the COV device, I will site a specialty dictionary which pertains specifically to the art of the book, Geoffrey Ashall Glaister's "Encyclopedia of the Book, Second Edition" published jointly by Oak Knoll Press and the British Library. Page 103 finds the definition of "colophon" which contains 2 entries. The second states "a publisher's device q.v., printed on the title-page. This is a misuse of the term. A device may appear on every book a publisher issues: a colophon is particular to one title." I rest my case. May we now re-title said "colophon" as what it is? That is, a "crest", "mark", or "device". Your choice. HotType918 (talk) 04:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)HotType918