Talk:Cloudbuster
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[edit] Funny Ha-ha Or Funny Peculiar?
Is this some kind of joke? I think this article should be deleted, as this is nonsense. -KeeganB —Preceding unsigned comment added by KeeganB (talk • contribs) 13:30, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
- It doesn't appear to be a joke - Rolf (not Ralph) Alexander existed and claimed to be able to do this. Any notion that it was a real ability is undoubtedly nonsense on stilts, but from what little I can tell from Googling, the article is accurate. --OpenToppedBus 14:01, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem somehow notable to me. There are just too many such crazy theories and psychics, and to list them all there... --Samohyl Jan 15:58, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if it's worth mentioning in the article, but Cloudbusting is one of the few "paranormal" abilities James Randi refuses to test for his million dollar prize.
- "It's just such a silly notion, that we at the JREF can't waste time on it any more. We also don't test for Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Our tests conducted in the past were simple: we asked the "buster" to tell us which cloud he'd bust, then we videotaped the sky with a wide-angle camera. When the tape was played back for anyone else, they could not determine which cloud was "busted," because they all went away, in varying sequences. There was nothing special about the chosen cloud. The error is in watching only the cloud that was chosen, and not noticing that others go away at the same rate."
- [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.160.180.136 (talk • contribs) 18:02, July 3, 2006 (UTC)
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- Of course, Randi only tests people that he knows for sure can't beat his tests. I have seen cloudbusting in action before, and I have seen even truly skilled cloud-busters make clouds literally crumble away into mist. Personally, It think we should edit this article because right now the title implies that cloud-busting makes the clouds explode or something when actually they merely dissipate. Perhaps 'cloud-dissipation would a better name. I'll move it there. Smith Jones 21:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] STRANGE!
Ok......Umm........this is weird! WHATEVER!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.117.247 (talk • contribs) 14:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
Should this perhaps be listed on Unusual_articles? -Cookiemobsta
[edit] Related link
Bush's "Cloudbusting" is generally thought to be about Wilhelm Reich, who also invented something called a Cloudbuster. The lyrics include these lines, which seem to reference Reich's run-in with the Feds:
You looked too small/In their big, black car,/To be a threat to the men in power.
I hid my yo-yo/In the garden./I can’t hide you/From the government.
The Reich article has info about his cloudbuster at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich#Orgone_accumulators_and_cloudbusters
Bush may have had non-Reichian cloudbusters in mind, but the article probably should reference Reich.
-24.148.136.192 19:34, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Bush definitely had Reich in mind. The song refers to 'Organon' ("I still dream of Organon"), Reich's house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.135.238 (talk • contribs) 01:45, July 31, 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Neil Slade
This guy claims that the amygdala can be used to burst clouds, and sells books on it. He makes a lot of claims on his site in different areas, such as running a school full of students who can tap their amygdala powers, but no controlled tests have been done.
[2] [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.97.130.5 (talk • contribs) 05:00, June 12, 2006 (UTC)
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- No claim by aforementioned self-published author, including a claim related to running a school, has been validated in any reputable publication. Subject is an occassional guest of fringe, conspiracy-oriented radio programs, which he uses to promote sales of his vanity-press books. ShoNuff 03:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rolf Alexander
- Rolf Alexander was born in [[New Zealand]], and lived primarily in England. During a stint in Orillia, Ontario, Canada, he claimed that the [[prefrontal lobe]] of the brain radiates "some unknown form of energy" and that he could he could during his main stint of popularity. According to Rolf Alexander, who said he could cause cloud dispersal through concentration, . To demonstrate his theory of "creative realism", Alexander staged a demonstration in Geneva Park, Canada on [[September 12]], [[1954]]. The event was covered by a [[Canadian Press]] reporter and published in the ''Niagara Falls Evening Review'' the next day. From 2:09 to 2:17 that afternoon, Alexander claimed to use his "creative realism" to dissipate three [[cloud]]s, the first in just three minutes. The cloud's dispersal was photographed and published by the CP reporter. However, many at the event claimed other clouds around the area were being broken up by atmospheric conditions, and that Alexander's chosen cloud was no doubt the same. Alexander contested this, acknowledging the other clouds' disappearing, but all the while claiming that he doubted any of them disappeared at such a rate as his. {{Fact|date=February 2007}} Alexander published ''Creative Realism: A New Method of Winning'' (1954), and ''The Power of the Mind'' (1956). Alexander was criticized by Deny Parsons in an article published in the 1985 ''A Skeptic's Handbook of Parapsychology''.
... I have moved this paragraph from the article here because I don't think it pertains to this lemma. "Cloudbuster" was the specific name of Wilhelm Reich's contraption. What Rolf Alexander did (or tried to do) might have been inspired by Reich and might vaguely described as "cloudbusting", but he himself described it as "Creative Realism". So the text should go into the lemma "Rolf Alexander" or "Creative Realism", but it shouldn't be mixed up with Reich's cloudbuster.
I can't open this lemma myself as I'm not competent on Alexander. Whoever wrote this paragraph please don't be miffed as I'm only trying to straighten out this article and not to censure Alexander. Maikel 08:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dime cuando, cuando, cuando
When did Reich build his first cloudbuster, and until when did he continue with this? Maikel 08:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
