Talk:Closed communion
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What's up with the strange qualification if one construes that term to include all churches that are in communion with the pope and acknowledging that all Christians owe obedience to the pope, regardless of whether they are of the Latin Rite or one of the Eastern Rites? I'm not saying it's wrong, just strange. Benwbrum 22:36, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I removed the exception for a Roman Catholic marrying an Orthodox Christian in an Orthodox Church for two reasons: 1) the Orthodox wedding service includes the sharing of a symbolic common cup, NOT the Eucharist, and 2) knowingly permitting any non-Orthodox to receive the Eucharist is extremely rare, and would probably get the priest called up before the bishop before you could say "Receive the Body of Christ." Such an interfaith marriage would require episcopal approval anyway, which would, in most circumstances, be contingent on the non-Orthodox party not receiving any sacraments other than Matrimony. JHCC 17:53, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Plausible, although it was in place for a good while... [1]. Perhaps the original author can cite some evidence. Trc | [msg] 17:59, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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- Added the qualification "Syriac". The Syriac church is a non-Chalcedonian body, not in communion with the autocephalous Orthodox churches, and as such cannot be taken as representative of "Orthodox" as a whole. JHCC 13:09, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Being a relative novice to Wiki and with my knowledge of the subject rather limited I didn't dare to tamper with an article but may I post a suggestion? I would suggest to balance the phrase:
"Thus, a member of the Russian Orthodox Church attending the Divine Liturgy...; as will a non-Christian, of course." by changing it for example like this:
"Thus, a member of the Russian Orthodox Church attending the Divine Liturgy in a Greek Orthodox Church, will be allowed to receive communion, but a Roman Catholic attending a Greek Orthodox liturgy will be excluded from communion and vice versa. In either case, non-Christians are also excluded."
I humbly ask not to be flamed upon. I know, this is a delicate subject --Irpen 17:58, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I agree with Irpen as to style. Irpen, switch it out!!DaveTroy 20:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] "Closed" vs "close"?
I don't see this previously discussed here, but see footnote #24 here. Is "closed" still a commonly used phrase in other denominations? LCMS clearly writes "close communinion" in all their official theological statements. -Jcbarr 02:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Catholic coverage is wrong
The [Roman] Catholic church permits members of all the ancient sacramental churches -- Orthodox, Assyrian, Coptic, etc -- to receive communion. This fact is printed in the inside front cover of the missalette in every single pew of every single Catholic church. I am surprised that this article is incorrect on this point. Lawrence King 02:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I fixed it. Lawrence King 07:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Lawrence, what you say is true, but qualified. They are asked to respect the discpline of their own churches. Currently the Orthodox church typically do not allow their members to receive in the Roman Catholic Church.DaveTroy 20:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anglican Orders
The validity of the Anglican Orders isn't a personal opinion, its the position of the Anglican Church. You can't leave in the Roman POV and then dismiss the Anglican one as "personal opinion". The fact is the the alleged invalidity is an RC peculiarity, which tends not to be followed in other apostolic-succession bodies like the Orthodox and Old Catholic churches. Carolynparrishfan 19:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mormons/Latter-day Saints
I have noticed the statement in several articles that Latter-day Saints have closed communion. While the Church teaches that the Sacrament (Eucharist) is efficacious only for baptized members in good standing, the never-baptized are not refused participation in communion. In fact it is traditional for children who are not yet baptized (this only occurs at age 8) to participate. It is often said that this is done in anticipation of baptism (whereas baptized members participate in re-affirmation of baptism). The only people who may be refused communion are baptized members not in good standing or excommunicated members. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.59.83 (talk) 08:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Merge
Since it has been proposed on the Eucharistic discipline article that there is a need for sections on open and closed communion and because the this page doesn't contain much information anyway (and because it falls under the broader heading of Eucharistic discipline), I am proposing we merge it into a section of Eucharistic discipline article. Thoughts? -- jackturner3 02:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
