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[edit] Recent edits

I have again added information on the ongoing sex tape scandal. It seems people related to Noelia keep deleting these references to this scandal. The section is well documented with links which are just as are easily accessible by doing a Google search on Noelia. All subsequent deletion of this scandal's references will be reinstated. 70.45.6.173 17:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC) La Verdad

I again for the umpteenth time, reverted to a previous edit of mine for several reasons.

  • The previous article read too much like a promotional article clearly taken from a fansite or something along that line. That edit didn't comply with Wikipedia standards.
  • The previous article lacked any citations or references about what it stated. I added a citation about some of the things that I added, and plan to add more with time.
  • The previous article solely focused on recent events and achievements without mentioning the start in her career.

Thanks. Thief12 14:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

This is what the other editor posted while deleting my comment here.

Again, some one with no other business but HATE, keeps editing this Infromation with TOTAL lack of REAL FACTS and information about Noelia, some lunatic , sour ex employee or memeber of the evil family of Noelia'a mother keeps doing this.


OK. This Freak Thief12 = Ladron 12 keep editing the profile of Noelia, a guy with a remarkable negative obssesion with Noelia.

By the way ..this Thief12, is no other than one of Noelia's ex boyfriend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Address the reasons I posted above and abstain from derogatory comments. Your edits clearly don't comply with Wikipedia standards. Thief12 01:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok Thief, we all understand that you are and obsess looser, or former dump ex boyfriend of Noelia, tell me the relevance of puting names like: Grullon, Reynoso, or Yamil on her file, ? The answer is you are a sick homo, who hates Noelia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify that this "troll" just deletes my comments on the talk page, posts his rambling insults and doesn't address the issues raised by me. Thief12 15:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another Petition

Stop reverting to previous unsourced edits of the article. You've been warned several times about doing so with no reason and you've replied only with insults and nonsensical accusations. Next time, you'll be reported to an admin and your IP will be blocked. Thief12 14:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Physco, I work for the Label EMI TELEVISA , Noelia is our Artist and you keep, changing REAL FACTS. Deja de molestar la Biografia de Noelia, CUAL ES TU ENFERMEDAD, nosotros sabemos mas que tu, solo eres un MAL INTENCIONADO, que seguramente ODIA A NOELIA. Si vas a hacer algo investiga, y a quien le importa con quien esta relacionada sentimentalmente, la mente de Islita que solo les importanlos chismes baratos. Deja a Noelia en Paz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.100.5 (talk) 04:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
It is common in the articles of artists to mention the relations the artist has had in the past. There is nothing false stated in the article. All of the relationships listed were made public. You, on the other hand, delete valuable information about Noelia's beginning in the music career for the sake of just mentioning and blatantly promoting his latest endeavors. Wikipedia is not a promotional site. Thief12 22:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
BTW, if you indeed work for EMI Televisa, which I seriously doubt, you should consider doing things in a more professional way instead of jumping to calling names and behaving like a berated little child. Thief12 22:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sex tape

It might be good if a mod gets involved here. You two are just weird. And why'd you delete the sex tape comment? 98.195.179.37 04:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

And another thing: STOP deleting the comments on the talk page. 98.195.179.37 04:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You've added verifiable references related to the subject, like I requested originally. For biographies you must back up what you say, which you finally did. I have no problem with the content as long as it is solidly referenced. It is just rumor mongering if you just assert stuff. And I did check with an admin - as long as you back it up, it is fine to be in the article. --NrDg 18:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birthdate

I changed the birth date to match the information given in the Music Myspace biography http://www.myspace.com/noeliamusic. Music Myspace is an official site run by the artist's representatives and is a reliable source. Of course reliable sources can conflict and could be wrong but this is the best that I can find and verify. If the birth date is changed, please explain why and give a better source that I can verify to back it up. An assertion that you have personal knowledge is not enough. --NrDg 17:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Noelia is 30 years old. The my space page age is a lie. It is well documented she is 30. Here are some links.
News Magazine of Mexico where they even have a picture of her celebrating her 30 years old birthday.
http://www.tvyespectaculos.com/2007/09/06/noelia-festejo-sus-30-anos-en-los-angeles/
Newspaper of Puerto Rico
http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/farandula/espectaculos_asi/noelia_casi__desnuda_en_famosa_revista__masculina/79957 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 23:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
That is what I was looking for. However the assertion that her myspace page is a lie does create a problem. We can't make conclusions on Wikipedia. An official site is given a lot of weight as to being reliable. What we are supposed to do is say the references conflict and give both. I need to think about how to do this properly and will probably make the change and note the conflict. If you make the change be sure to replace the existing reference with at least one of the references you listed above. Don't just change the data. --NrDg 23:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for answering me. I am 100% sure she is 30 years old because she is the daughter of a famous puertorican singer and it is documented the year she gave birth. On a myspace page everyone can put the age they want. But a respetable newspaper is not going to lie about the age specially in Puerto Rico where everyone knows when her mother, one of the most famous singers of Puerto Rico, gave birth to her first daughter. I have more links that proof she is 30 years old. Do you want me to put those here too?
I dont know how to add links when I change something. But one of the links (newspaper of Puerto Rico) I told you that shows her real age 30 is already on the references of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 00:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Got it! I found links where Noelia's mother says the age of Noelia which is 30. Who more than her own mother to know when she gave birth to her own daughter. This will settle the age discussion. Do you want me to give you the link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 00:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Please put the link here if you don't know how to add references to the main article, I'll change the reference. I'll probably add them all as references to counter the myspace one. Thanks for checking into this and doing the research. --NrDg 02:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I add references? Here is the link were the age topic is settle. She is 30 years old. Here is the link were her mother says she is 30. http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=6&schid=1363&secid=1408&cid=1262181&pagenum=2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 06:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I added the reference. Please check out what I added for correctness as I don't speak Spanish and am depending on Google for translations. Make sure the quote I extracted from the article is appropriate and the titles correct. --NrDg 23:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes its perfect...thats the part...seems the google's translations are working :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 09:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] INDIRECT FALSE ADVERTISING

After carefully analyzing the progression and development of this page, I have concluded NOELIA's PAGE has been a flagrant project to undermine the exploitation of a scandal to vindicate and exonerate a senseless issue regarding poor copywriting. (Clandestino77 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

If you wish to restore the version of the article that had well referenced information about the scandal, then do so. I don't care as long as the references back up the facts. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noelia&oldid=169729843 from 00:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC). Understand that this will probably start an edit war with User talk:Curve curve and others who don't want that information in the article. I was reverting back to that version for a while but too many editors didn't like it and the current version is accurate in what it does say (except for people changing her birth year to conflict with the cite). --NrDg 14:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Who Am I talking to here? Seems to me NrDg is Noelia (Clandestino77 15:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
I am having a hard time reconciling your comment with what I said. --NrDg 15:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Unless there is something more substantial, like multiple articles written by reliable sources about this artist, then I will be nominating this for deletion. (Clandestino77 20:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
Do what you wish. I think this article meets the wikipedia notability requirements though, see WP:N, which is sufficient to keep it. If you are not familiar with the process, see WP:AFD for details on how to start an article for deletion discussion. I noticed that your request for a speedy delete was declined. --NrDg 20:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dance Pop Artist from Latin America?

I am trying to expand articles from Latin America in regards to Electronic and Dance Music. This is one of the few artists I found. Does she have Remixes from well-known established producers not from Latin America? English? England? (Media Cop 18:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content

Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia as a separate article, but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. The particular topics and facts within an article are not each required to meet the standards of the notability guidelines. (Clandestino77 20:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

Unless there is something more substantial, like multiple articles written by reliable sources about this artist, then I will be nominating this for deletion. (Clandestino77 20:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
Don't argue it here, I don't particularly care one way or the other. Start an AFD discussion and argue your points there. I'm just saying I think the chances for deletion are dubious.--NrDg 21:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Life

Personal Life/Noelia has been romatically involved to show-biz personalities throughout her career. She had a four-year relationship with former MDO member, who's presently working as the road manager of her mother. In 2004, she also had a brief relationship with rapper Yamil, with whom he worked on the album Melao. Presently, 2007, she's engaged to the well-known mexican producer & personality, Jorge Reynoso, who is also managing her international career..... Glaring unconcealed section; blatant in regards to a false scandal. Should be deleted. (Jessica Platt 21:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

Then delete it if it is not backed up with a reference. Just make sure you specify in the edit summary why you deleted it or you might get reverted. Or better just tag with {{cn}} and give people a chance to find a reference.--NrDg 21:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
tagging - - > ATTRIBUTIONS NEEDED < - - - (Jessica Platt 21:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

[edit] User Talk Under Suspicion

I am concerned about who is writing this article, seems to me, almost everybody in this Article Discussion or User Talk, is the same person:

  • Thief12
  • NrDg
  • Mediacop
  • Jessica Platt
  • Vincent Gallop

Character misinterpretation and distorted indentities. (Clandestino77 21:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC))

If you strongly believe that, you can request an adminstrator with check user privs to confirm it, see WP:Requests for checkuser for info on how to do that. Then we can all be blocked for sock puppetry. --NrDg 22:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)