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[edit] Rock concerts held at the Stadium

Hello,

Can anyone help me find a listing of concerts that were held at the Cleveland Stadium (World Series of Rock?) during the late 1970s and early 1980s?

I attended most in the late 70s and as far as I know there were not any in the early 80s. I have info on the concerts I had attended if you are interested. Also, please sign your posts MM DENE (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

The concerts were every summer from 1974 through 1979. I attended all the concerts in 77 & 78. I was an early teen then and kept a scrapbook with ticket stubs, newspaper articles, my personal notes, etc. My only regret is that I didn't take a camera with me. Too bad we didn't have cell phones back then. The The concerts were always general admission leaving the field open to concert goers. This resulted in the turf having to be repaired before the next Indians' game. These concerts were called "Games" to keep in the tradition of the sporting events held at the Cleveland Stadium. The bands below are listed in order of performance. I only have some show times (if it is still present on the ticket stub). (Tickets were torn in half at redemption and occasional removed some information)

1977 Game 1- June 5 Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes(Southside replaced Aerosmith who cancelled several days before), Nazereth, Ted Nugent, Todd Rundgren $9.00 Game 2- June 25 8:30pm - Pink Floyd (Attendence 81,000- A record) $9.50 Game 3-August 6 12noon - Rick Derringer, J Geils, Bob Seger, Peter Frampton $9.50

1978 Game 1- July 1- Kansas, Rolling Stones (New record-83,000) $12.50 Game 2- July 15 4:00pm - Trickster, Journey, Foreignor, Electric Light Orchestra $13.00 Day of Show Game 3- August 26- Eddie Money, Todd Rundgren, Cars, Bob Welch, Fleetwood Mac $12.00

Below is a list of WSoR Concerts that I did not attend so my knowledge is limited, but I can direct you. I know that there are concert dates missing. I am not sure the order of performances, price etc...

1974 First WSoR -June 24 Joe Walsh, (unsure of other acts), September - Crosby, Stills Nash and Young (from The Plain Dealer August 29, 1995 article by Jane Scott)

1975 Unsure of date-Uriah Heep, Blue Oyster Cult, Mahogany Rush, The Faces (featured Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood)

1979 Game 1- July 28 2:30pm- AC/DC, Aerosmith, Thin Lizzy , Ted Nugent, Journey, (Did not attend but have the promotional poster) (this concert allegedly beat the prior attendence record but cannot verify.) Sources: http://buzzardbook.wordpress.com/ (This is a site maintained by John Gorman who was WMMS program director back then, WMMS and Belkin Production were not only concert promoters but active participants on the day of the show.) Gorman would be a wealth of info on all Cleveland Conerts from that era.)

This a book that may have info, although I haven't read it. Wolff, Carlo, Cleveland Rock and Roll Memories: True and Tall Tales of the Glory Days, Told By Musicians, DJs, Promoters & Fans Who Made the Scene in the '60s, '70s, and '80s, Gray & Company, Publishers (2006), ISBN-13: 978-1-886228-99-3 I hope this is helpful. Peace.MM DENE (talk) 18:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The book "Cleveland Stadium: The Last Chapter" published in 1997 by Cleveland Landmarks Press, Inc., isbn=0936760109, has a chart of rock concerts at page 65 Artists - date-attendance The Beatles-8/14/66-24,646 Joe Walsh, Lynrd Skynard, Beach Boys -6/23/74-32,837 Emerson Lake & Palmer - 8/8/74-34,173 Crosby Stills Nash & Young -8/30/74-81,316 Chicago, The Beach Boys - 5/31/75-26,035 The Rolling Stones -6/14/75 - 78,665 Yes -7/11/75 - 29,394 Faces - 8/23/75 - 61,512 Aerosmith - 6/5/77 -33,049 Pink Floyd -6/25/77 -82,986 Peter Frampton - 8/6/77 -77,674 The Rolling Stones - 7/1/78 -82,238 ELO -7/15/78 -60,214 Fleetwood Mac - 8/26/78 -74,892 Aerosmith -7/28/79 -65,807 Bob Seger - 7/19/80 -47,183 Michael Stanley - 9/29/84 - (in Stadium parking lot, not stadium per se) estimated 70,000 Michael Jackson - 10/19/84 -34,210 Michael Jackson - 10/20/84 -47,186 Bruce Springsteen -8/7/85 -71,808 Pink Floyd -9/16/87 -60,172 Pink Floyd -9/17/87-62,001 U2 - 10/6/87 -50,456 The Who -7/19/89 -61,120 The Rolling Stones -9/27/89 -61,727 Paul McCartney - 7/20/90 -66,197 Genesis - 5/25/92 -49,877 Pink Floyd -5/26/94 -53,311 Pink Floyd -5/27/94 -46,963 The Eagles -7/8/94 - 45,432 The Rolling Stones -8/28/94 -35,265 Concert for the opening of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame & Museum - 9/2/95 - 60,000(estimate) Hanksummers (talk) 18:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)hanksummers

EDIT: The first World Series of Rock featured The Beach Boys with Lynyrd Skynyrd, REO Speedwagon & Joe Walsh - Cleveland Stadium (Cleveland, OH) - June 23, 1974 SOURCE: My ticket stub —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirt America (talk • contribs) 16:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Browns' move and name

I don't want to make a fuss about the move, especially on this page, since it's supposed to be about the stadium, and not about either team. I hope the current wording is satisfactory. The Baltimore Sun has a good recap of the agreement if you want to learn more. - EurekaLott 05:22, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, we are quite aware of our history. I hope the current wording is a satisfactory compromise. --Noitall 05:38, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm afraid it doesn't work. The desires of the citizens of Baltimore were irrelevant to the decision, not to mention Municipal Stadium. It doesn't belong in this article. - EurekaLott 14:28, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

As I recall, although I offer no guarantee or warranty on this, the retention of the Browns' history by the new Cleveland franchise was basically a bone tossed to the city by the NFL, to smooth the waters and prevent a lawsuit. The citizens of Baltimore were getting a team, so what they may have wanted or not wanted would seem to be irrelevant, even if it worked out conveniently that way. However, this whole deal also reminds me of when the Senators moved to Minnesota, and the majors tried to pretend that the Twins were an expansion team and the new Senators were a continuation of the old. They were, in the sense that they were losers. And in a sense, that's what's happened to Cleveland also. They have their team, they have their pretense that it's the old Browns, and the team that used to be the real Browns has their Super Bowl ring, so everybody's happy. Or are they? Wahkeenah 02:39, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I can't answer for 40 years ago with the Senators, but the account is inaccurate with regard to the Ravens/Browns. --Noitall 03:07, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

You might well be right, and you're the Baltimorean, so you would be closer to the situation. Unfortunately, I couldn't check out the Sun article posted earlier, because they want me to register, and I don't feel like ending up on yet another mailing list. My argument, in general, as that the city of Cleveland got ripped off by a greedy owner, who moved to Baltimore which had previously been ripped off by another greedy owner. Here in Minneapolis, they lost a pretty good hockey team, the North Stars, some years ago... supposedly because the owner got annoyed that the local paper reported his being charged with sexual harassment. So he punished the Twin Cities by moving the 'Stars to Dallas, and the NHL then expanded back into the Cities after convincing the city of St. Paul to fork over many millions for a new arena. Don'cha just love owners? Wahkeenah 03:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the owner was likely greedy. He is no longer the owner and, to be honest, while the owner he was not really in the spotlight. The citizens of Balt. felt very guilty about stealing a team, but it was our only way after we had done everything right and Tagliabou opposed us at every turn. So Balt. wanted the team without the guilt and that is what I think it got since the Browns got a team with same name and everything a short time later. --Noitall 03:30, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, what you've just said partially supports what I said earlier... except that it seems like it was Baltimore that tossed the bone to Cleveland, more than the NFL. In fact, I do recall now that the NFL was not very happy about it, and technically couldn't do much if anything to stop the Browns from moving, as Al Davis had proven in court that the league had no power to stop a team from moving elsewhere (or back again, in his case). FYI, I find this little edit war kind of amusing, and I'm learning a few new facts, and also wondering what the fuss is about. It could probably be settled if you had a reference to cite, so you could say, "According to such-and-such, the citizens of Baltimore gave up the nickname and history, etc." Wahkeenah 03:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

There should not be an edit war since the issue in dispute is not about accuracy, but about Wiki style, and, at least before, did not want anything about Balt. on the page.--Noitall 03:52, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

It's both. As far as I can tell, your persistent insertions of Baltimore-related issues are incorrect and also don't belong here. Can you cite any reference that backs up your story? - EurekaLott 03:58, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

The history is extraordinarlily well known to anyone not pushing a POV. I can probably find sources from Gov. Glendening, the Greater Baltimore Committee, etc., but it is not necessary. I note that there is not one source cited on this article. You cite every source for every statement made, no matter how well known, and I'll do the research. --Noitall 04:14, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

If you had bothered to read the linked article above (use Bugmenot if you don't want to register), you'd find references to Cleveland politicians, NFL officials, team ownership, and the Maryland Stadium Authority. The charitable opinions of Baltimore's citizenry nowhere entered the equation. Furthermore, this is supposed to be an article about a stadium, not about a team. If you want to write about the move, do it in an appropriate location in the Ravens or Browns articles. Hell, start a new one if you want, but there's no good reason why it belongs on this page. - EurekaLott 04:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

No, this is not your article. --Noitall 04:44, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

I never claimed it was. If you insist on making baseless assertions in inapplicable articles, expect to find them reverted. - EurekaLott 04:49, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

If your great wish is to be the grand poo bah editor of this page because you want to eliminate accurate and well-known info and want to acknowledge your ignorance, go ahead. --Noitall 04:52, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Hey noitall (if you're still around), the concept that Art Modell left because he couldn't maintain his revenue from loges is giving him quite a break. The fact of the matter is that Art had spent money on players and donations to local hospitals to the point where he was on the verge of bankruptcy anyway. What is missing here is that Art was offered the opportunity to get in on the Gateway project early on, but passed. No one really understands why Art did what he did - he and his son lied their way through the entire episode. You should delete the comment that Art somehow was jilted out of revenue. He allowed it to happen the way it did. Whatever happened behind the scenes or in Art's evil mind is still a secret - and likely always will be. --Formershamu 02:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not built to attract the Olympics?

I was surprised to learn from the Wikipedia article that the stadium was not built as a bid to attract the Olympics that eventually went to Los Angeles, as this particular factoid is, at the very least, and as the article notes, local lore. I would like to see some citation for this. To me, it doesn't seem realistic that the city of Cleveland would fund the expenditure of the largest ballpark in the country(?) (and the first stadium to be built with public money), and without having signed the Indians to play in it, for high school and college games(!) without some of the debate looking forward to the possibility of a Cleveland Olympics. Hopefully someone will be able to clarify and provide some references. Robert K S 19:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake on the Lake?

Why do you persist on Calling Cleveland Browns Stadium Mistake on the Lake? It's Degrading and Humiliating. I think because of this Term that is used so often by people outside of the Cleveland Area, (usually people who have never stepped foot in Cleveland or even Northeast, Ohio) that it gives Cleveland a bad Name. Cleveland is beyond that, and the Browns, up until 1995 have almost always had good seasons, Just Because they have never won a Super Bowl, no one one pays attention to all the great players and Teams the Browns have had over the Years. There are only 3 other teams, that have more Hall of Famers than the Browns. I think that you need to take down the "Mistake by the Lake" phrase. Also, I think that you need to check more of your Sources, becuase there are A lot of Inaccuracies and opinions (used as facts) on this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nprimiano (talk • contribs) 02:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Page Title

Are you sure this page should be called Cleveland Stadium? I've lived in Cleveland my whole life, and I have never once heard or seen it called anything other than Cleveland Municipal Stadium or just Municipal Stadium. Cleveland Rock 16:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I was born in 1980 and never heard the "Municipal" modifier until I found sources dating back to before I was born. I think by the 1980s the "Municipal" had become superfluous and had fallen out of favor when referring to the Stadium, which we just called "the Stadium" or "Cleveland Stadium". Robert K S 16:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I've seen it both ways going clear back to when it was built, pretty much. Wahkeenah 16:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I was born in 1969 and have lived in Cleveland my entire life. I heard it called Cleveland Municipal Stadium by many, including broadcasts by Nev Chandler and by the infamous dark lord Art Modell. --Formershamu 02:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Clevelander born 1978 here, it was always Municipal Stadium or Cleveland Municipal Stadium, I don't recall it hearing it as "Cleveland Stadium" at all. Pimlottc (talk) 10:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The big scoreboard in center field used to say CLEVELAND STADIUM across the top. I don't know what the exterior sign might have said, or maybe it changed over time. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 15:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

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