Talk:Clerical celibacy (Catholic Church)

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Contents 1 under exceptions 2 sexual continence 3 "Roman" 4 Roman Cholij 5 Pratical Reason for Celibacy

[edit] under exceptions

I added a few of the references that were implied. DaveTroy 10:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sexual continence

I will abide by whatever my fellow-editors decide. Please express your opinions. For my part, I think that it is highly inappropriate to link this article with one that considers sex without ejaculation but with multiple orgasms to be one form of sexual continence. For the Catholic Church, clerical celibacy means more than just being unmarried. The link even suggests that the continence of the Catholic clergy could include having sex without ejaculation with people with whom, by definition, they are not married! I think the link would only be suitable for an article entitled "clerical celibacy (Tantric sects)"! Lima 19:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the link is inappropriate. Majoreditor 02:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The opening paragraph makes plain the meaning of sexual continence.

Sexual continence is a lifestyle in which one refrains from all sexual contact even while married. In the Early Christian Church of the West, sexual continence was required of deacons, priests and bishops. Sexual continence is a form of the virtue of chastity (to refrain from sexual contact outside of marriage) but is not necessarily the same as celibacy (the unmarried state). Sexual continence is distinct from celibacy in that one can be continent within marriage but celibacy is the unmarried state.

Lima, you have cherry picked one line at the end of the article under the heading "Other Uses of the Phrase". As you know, there are many phrases that have multiple uses. This article refers to the primary use as outlined in the opening paragraph.

The concept of sexual continence is an important one for understanding clerical celibacy which has its origins in the practice of continence. If the sexual continence article is inadequate, then let improve it. But the concept of sexual continence in the early church should not be obscured because you are uncomfortable with on line at the end of an article.129.74.228.5 03:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Roman"

In an article detailing differences between the Eastern and Western traditions of the Catholic Church, the term "Roman" is problematic. Eastern Catholics are not properly considered "Roman" Catholics. In Catholic parlance "Roman" is an ambiguous term, sometimes refering to the whole of the Catholic Church and sometimes refering to just the Western rite of the Catholic Church. So, "Roman" should be avoided.EastmeetsWest 18:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roman Cholij

Roman Cholij's latest work contradicts his earlier work - do we include that?InfernoXV 19:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Of course, with source directly consultable, like his first work, or at least accurately reported and cited. Lima 19:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pratical Reason for Celibacy

My understanding is that even though early church councils discussed celibacy it did not become enforced until later years when inheritance rights became controversial. According to the priests the land they worked on belonged to them and thus could be inherited by their children. To stop priests from giving church land away to their children (as well as for them to focus on God rather than family affairs), it was decided that priests should not marry at all. Nice or in evil (talk) 18:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)