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1 Luther
2 Guide to referencing
3 WP guidelines and policies
4 Image:EnglishBreakfast.jpg
5 Lennie Lee

[edit] Luther

Hi ClassA, the issue of Luther and antisemitism is a controversial one that several editors have been struggling with for over a year on the Luther article and two others. You might want to take a few hours (days, weeks) to read through the talk page archives before diving in. :-) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 23:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guide to referencing

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Using references (citations)

I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.

[edit] Good references

A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use Reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is Original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research.

[edit] Simple referencing

The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section. This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:

==Notes and references==

The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):

Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.

[edit] Test it out

Copy the following text, open the edit box for this page, paste it at the bottom (inserting your own text) and save the page:

==Reference test==

This is the text which you are going to reference.<ref> Substitute your own text in this space </ref>

==Notes and references==

(End of text to copy and paste.)

[edit] Information to include

You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For a book it might look like this:

<ref> Smith, Timothy: "A Guide to Planets", page 29. Solar Publishing, 2001 </ref>

An online newspaper source would be:

<ref> Plunkett, John. [http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1601858,00.html "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying"], ''[[The Guardian]]'', [[2005-10-27]]. Retrieved on [[2005-10-27]]. </ref>

Note the square brackets around the URL. The format is [URL Title] with a space between the URL and the Title. If you do this the URL is hidden and the Title shows as the link. Use double apostrophes for the article title, and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics).

The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Wikilinks (double square brackets which create an internal link to a wikipedia article) function inside the ref tags. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings.

[edit] Citation templates

You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference

[edit] Same ref used twice or more

The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:

<ref name=smith> DETAILS OF REF </ref>

The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:

You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them.

[edit] Example

You can see refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.

[edit] Next step

When you become familiar with the process, the next step is to have one section, "Footnotes", with links embedded in the text, and another, "References", which lists all of your references alphabetically with full details, e.g. for a book:

Lincoln, Abraham; Grant, U. S.; & Davis, Jefferson (1861). Resolving Family Differences Peacefully (3rd ed.). Gettysburg: Printing Press. ISBN 0-12-345678-9.

If you're ready to go into it further, these pages have detailed information:

I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know.

Tyrenius 05:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP guidelines and policies

Please study them. Also see WP:WEASEL and WP:PEACOCK. Tyrenius 05:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:EnglishBreakfast.jpg

Please note the permission needs to be revised for this image. {{GFDL-self}} is the usual one, meaning you must be acknowledged in further use, although the image can be modified by others. You have to own the copyright to the original work to be able to release this. Tyrenius 06:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice

[edit] Lennie Lee

Please do not keep on inserting this artist into Young British Artists. There is no evident relationship with them. Tyrenius 03:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It is difficult to establish a relationship between people especially going back to the late eighties and early nineties but there was a relationship between the work of Lennie Lee and the YBAs.

He lived in the East End of London, organised DIY shows in warehouses, had a punk attitude and used similar materials to the YBAS. He was also included in a show with Bob and Roberta Smith which was written about by Sarah Kent in Arts Review (Autumn 1991). He was not averse to using the media in a similar way. He used to hang out with Tracey Emin and Sarah Lucas in Hoxton. He appeared in an exhibition with Mark McGowan and admitted to influences from Gilbert & George. He was involved in shock tactics based on punk. He exhibited in mainstream galleries such as Tate Britain and made controversial work. I therefore consider it fair to categorise him under related artists. I propose to re-add him to the list of related artists in Young British Artists.[1] see http://www.lennielee.com. ClassA 09:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss on article talk page before adding. There is no mention of Lee at the Tate.[2] Also please don't alter another user's talk page posts per WP:TPG. Thanks. Tyrenius 09:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

And don't spam Lennie Lee.[3] See WP:COI. Tyrenius 09:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for lack of knowledge of wikipedia etiquette. I am still not clear about certain aspects of wikipedia policy but I found a visual reference to the performance at theTate Britain [[4]] also [[5]] & [[6]]

Photographs on Lennie Lee's web site of him standing outside or in the Tate do not constitute verifiable references. Are there newspaper or magazine mentions of this?

You are clearly either the artist or a close associate who is promoting Lennie Lee, and were the subject of a WP:COIN discussion.[7] Please do not yourself insert any mentions of Lennie Lee into any articles on wikipedia. You should place suitable content on the article talk page and let another editor assess its worth. A clear example of abuse is on the article Artist, where notable examples include Rembrandt for a painter, Michelangelo for a sculptor, and Lennie Lee for a performance artist.[8] Do you seriously think from a WP:NPOV that Lennie Lee is suitable as the representative of this art form world wide? This is pure spamming and must stop. This is whether you edit under your current name or another, which you appear to have done. See WP:SOCK for the dangers of this.

I have supported the inclusion of an article on Lennie Lee, but there are not sources to substantiate him as of major status, so it is therefore inappropriate to include him as a prominent example.

The best thing you can do is to properly reference with inline citations articles you have started or contributed to. See the reference guide earlier on this page. Please study WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR and WP:RS.

On a positive note, I would like to observe that your content is generally free of the mystification of "art talk" and hype, instead mostly including factual content. This is a good thing.

You may like to study WP:FA for the best examples of articles.

Tyrenius 01:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)