Talk:Civic virtue

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This page has a redirect from "civility" but aside from incorrectly defining civility as referring "to behaviour between persons and groups that conforms to a social (ie. "civil") mode, as itself being a foundational principle of society and law" it doesn't mention civility again.

  • The number one google link on civility talks about "the tenor of political debate" with a lack of it being involved in "the destructive ways in which the issues are being addressed"[1].
  • The number two google link is a George Washington transcription of rules for showing proper respect in "Company and Conversation"[2].
  • The number three google link's first two words are "Facilitating Dialogue"[3].

Pretty much the entire article here is about political theories of what a good citizen is like *not* what good/effective behavior during discussion and formal debate is like. I don't know how to kill a redirect with a wiki but this redirect should be killed and a stub on *actual* civility should be started because civic virtue and civility are not the same thing.

[edit] Merger of incivility and civic virtue

I don't agree that the two subjects are the same thing, though there clearly is some overlap. More importantly, the merge tag was put on the two articles on 2 February and the redirect (the merger) was done a day later - without any discussion whatsoever that I can see (if there was any discussion at Talk:Incivility, that's gone now).

I wouldn't be so concerned about this if WP:CIVIL, a key Wikipedia guideline, didn't use the word "incivility" without really defining it, making an article about that word have a lot more important, I think. In any case, I don't believe it would hurt anything to keep the discussion (or possibility thereof) open for a week or so before closing out the matter. -- John Broughton (☎☎) 16:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Disagree with the merge. Civic virtue is a broader understanding of one's long term relationship and responsibility with society. Incivility is a temporary impoliteness. Although there may be overlap, they are two separate ideas. --Knulclunk 05:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't merge These topics are not the same. futurebird 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't merge. I concur - topics not the same. Fuzzform (talk) 20:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] is PC mistaken for civility?

Political correctness seems to be often misinterpreted for civility--mrg3105mrg3105 08:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you explain how this relates to improving or modifying this article? If it does not, please remember that this is not a discussion forum, it is the discussion page for an encyclopedia. --Cheeser1 (talk) 17:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More recent versions of article

I reverted to an older version - What happened to this article? For months it has been in a state of disrepair. The introduction was composed of a bunch of sloppily-formatted, nonsensical sentence fragments. "Civics for the success of the community" sounds like a partisan political group. It isn't a sentence by itself - it's merely the subject. Fuzzform (talk) 20:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)