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[edit] Duck
where is the Citroen 2CV known as "Duck"? -- Hotlorp
Not sure about other places, but it is nicknamed "Ente" in Germany, which means "duck" in German. It does not have such a nickname in France - User:Olivier
See article nicknamed "Deuche" in France never heard Duck maybe it's some bad phonetics for "Deuche" Ericd 13:32 Sep 17, 2002 (UTC)
FYI: "Deuche" comes from "deux chevaux" (abbreviated prononciation). 2CV literally means "deux chevaux" = two horses (horsepower). olivier 17:06 Nov 13, 2002 (UTC)
It's known as "eend" in the Netherlands, or even "lelijk eendje". You could translate this to "ugly duck(lin)", hence "duck". I do think however "duck" is less commonly used than "ugly ducklin" for the 2CV. Edit: I see this has already been added to the 2CV page. Wzzrd 15:44 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think that the alphabetization of the models was a bad move. Chronological order of introduction seems to be a better ordering. -- Hotlorp 23:13, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I think that the article is outrageously sentimental about the pre-Peugeot era and that it fails to describe the current situation of Citroën, which is doing quite well right now with a range of attractive and recent models, among which the C4, which got excellent reviews. Why no mention of the GS Birotor? I notice that there seems to be some controversy over the removal of Birotor info from the GS page... If nothing else, surely this car deserves its own page.
[edit] Fiat acquisition
There is no mention of the Fiat acquisition (see Fiat). I can't write anything because my English is very bad...
128.139.64.7 21:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC) Added relevant info. Arnon
[edit] Electric cars
The electric versions of Saxo and Berlingo should be mentioned.
[edit] Pronunciation
Can someone add a pronunciation guide for Citroën? Thanks. --speedoflight | talk to me 05:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
See Troh Enn (accent on the last syllable). Groogle 06:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lemon
Why not include the amusing fact that a "lemon" is slang in English speaking North America for an unreliable car.
I speak both French and English and the name "Citroen" always gave me a chuckle for it's resemblance to the french word "Citron" (lemon) To hear that it means lemon in Dutch is quite funny.
Don't think unrelated "funny names" should be in Wikipedia. I checked the entry for "George W. Bush" for example and it does not include any mention that his name is slang for female body part.66.77.124.61 19:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hydro functioning
Included in the current text is the following: Interestingly, when the high position was selected, the car would sink back to the low position while stopped (as at a traffic light) until motion resumed, when it would rise again. This sinking often caused other motorists to signal to the driver that the car had a flat tire (the presumed cause of the sinking motion). Sounds pretty wierd - never seen this. Even if engine is off, the car stays up for many hours. 66.77.124.61 22:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
What does happen is that you stop and get out the car rises when your weight is removed, then sinks as it corrects the height. I don't usually get out at traffic lights, though. -- Ian Dalziel 05:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed the chapter chapter in question as it is simply not true. You can have an (older) hydroneumatic Citroen vary its driving height in trafic lights by aplying some brake trickery, but in that case the car also rises first before settling down to right driving height. It hasn't got anything to do with the high or low position selected. - - - - - It is indeed true: my uncle owned a Citroen, and it did exactly this during stops! ~~Bruce
9 Million hydro cars and your uncle has one that behaves totally differently than all the others - I don't think so. I get it - your uncle was playing a trick on you Bruce. He would raise the car to high as he came to a stop - then move the selector to low to get a reaction. Also - your uncle was not driving around in 'high' position. The car has effectively no suspension in high - stiffer than a Jeep. The car constantly adjusts ride height - it could straighten itself out while idling - but it would not sink to the ground. For the car to sink to the ground with the engine running and a different position selected, it would have to be dangerously low on hydraulic fluid. It is very incorrect to state something like 'Citroen's behave this way.'76.168.245.129 06:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC) - - - - - Well, he may indeed have been playing a trick, but he's long gone, so we'll never know! --Bruce
- - - - - The part about the car sinking in stoplights is absolutely incorrect as a description of standard behavior. For the car to sink, there should be no pressure building (failed hydraulic pump) + excessive internal leaking in the height correctors - hardly a standard condition, and by no means an attribute that should be presented as standard. I'm assuming that the author was refereing to the fact the when brakes are applied with a lot of force, the car will not change its height, even if the height selector position is changed. When stopping ahead of a stop light, the rear end of the car rises (in all cars, not just citroens). If, after comming to a complete stop, the driver continues to apply (strong) pressure on the brake pedal, the rear will not drop. As a result, the height corrector will relieve pressure off of the rear suspension spheres in an effort to lower the car back to normal. As soon as the driver will release the brake pedal, the rear will drop, and after a few seconds the height corrector will compensate for it. However, this, again, is not common, as one would need to apply substantial force to the brake pedal + he would need to be after a v-e-r-y brutal braking from high speed, in order for the tail to rise sufficiently to cause the height corrector to compensate. Quite rare, and not something that should be in the article. I am removing this entry. --Arnon
on hydropneumatic citroens there is a priority (or safety) valve. When the engine breaks, or for any other reason, the hydraulic system starts to lose pressure, the safety valve then shuts down sequentially less important systems, so that the majority of remaining pressure goes to the vital systems. On a citroen cx with power steering the order of switching off is: suspension, steering and then brakes. When you push the brakes, valve removes some pressure from the least important system (suspension) and shifts it to brakes. That causes the rear end to sink. Plus, sinking of rear end causes a better grip, which helps braking, and reduces braking length. The best part is, that no electronics is used for this safety valve (on cx, and all before) ---Stefan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.200.157.166 (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Photos
The text is chronological - oldest to newest - BUT photos are in reverse order new to old. Distracting. 76.168.240.110 08:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] limoenman
Removed the "limoenman" quote. I recognise that I am on slightly shaky ground in danger of an accusation of OR here, since I can't prove the negative, but "limoen" is "lime" in Dutch, and I can't see how that could have had an influence on the name "Citroën". There are various sources which would support "limoenman", but they all derive from the John Reynolds books - I think John has simply got this wrong, and I'd like to see an independent source before reinstating it. -- Ian Dalziel 23:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Marker lights
Am I correct that it's certain Citroen models that featured rear yellow marker lights/turn signals located at the upper corners of the rear windows at the back of cone-shaped chrome fairings running along the tops of the windows? I've seen a few of these but have never been sure what the car was; somebody told me it might be a Citroen. Thanks! ~~Bruce
Yes - it was the DS - which always had the turn indicators mounted in the upper corners of the rear window.76.168.245.129 04:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] This article needs help
I started editing this article, however if I were to remove all of the unsourced claims, opinions, weasel statements, and original analysis there would be nothing left. Adding multiple issues tag. Vrac (talk) 00:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Noticed the article remains stable 3 months after this comment. Since the article is quite accurate, that makes a great deal of sense. I suggest we focus on the actual issue - need for additional references - rather than aimlessly editing an accurate article that has a clear narrative flow. John Reynolds is the foremost historian of the marque - anyone have his works available to tie in to? 76.168.248.245 (talk) 08:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
