Talk:Chronology of works by Caravaggio

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[edit] Collezione Longhi

Can anyone give information about this? Several Caravaggio paintings are cited as being in it, but there's no article/entry on Wiki, and nothing even on the Web - just a reference to a Robert Longhi Insitution (which seems not to be open to the public) and odd references to TWO Robert Longhi colections (or 'collezione Robert Longhi), one in Rome, one in Florence. Can anyone clear this up and maybe write a short wiki-entry? PiCo 10:16, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

can't help but i too have a question. there are four caravaggios in the Met NY. Only three are listed. which one is missing ? Palx 23:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


I see that the Met bought a Duccio Madonna and Child for $45 million. It measures 8x11 inches - 88 square inches, half a million dollars a square inch. Must be the most expensive real estate in New York. The Met's website lists only the Musicians and Denial of Peter. Their Luteplayer was only authenticated fairly recently and perhaps they haven't updated the web page. What's your source for saying they have four? PiCo 01:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I was there last month and saw four. Denial of St. Peter, Lute player, Musicians but cannot remember the name of the other one. I am definitely not mistaken and my friend took photos. Four genuine. Not Caravaggisti or copies. Unfortunately my companion hasn't bothered to get the pics developed yet. It's true the Met website lists only three but their records seem to be difficult to navigate. The guy at the museum reception couldn't find any Caravaggios listed at all ! can anybody help ? Palx 08:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

It is The Holy Family with Saint John the Baptist. Just saw it again . They loaned it to Amsterdam for the exhibition. It's not listed in the chronology. there are 4 in New York.

Does it show the Virgin in a red robe, seated on a bench, with an infant Christ standing with arms around her neck, Joseph behind to the left, and an infant Baptist reaching up from ther lower left corner? Puglisi lists this as a Holy Family, and I can't find anything closer. She says it's known in 3 versions, none thought to be original, with the best version in a private collection in Caracas. Puglisi's book came out in 1998, so things could have changed. Robb doesn't mention anything like this. PiCo 23:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That's the one !!!!!!!!
I knew there were four .
there's a photo on the Amsterdam exhibition site.
Both the Met and the Van Gogh museums say it's a Caravaggio. Palx 12:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC) here it is http://www.phespirit.info/pictures/caravaggio/p069.htm Palx 13:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John the Baptist

I've placed all the St John the baptist in the Wilderness paintings (8 of them) together on one page and made a new entry for them. This means that each separate link John the Baptist now takes the reader to the same page, where they con compare the versions of this almost obsessive theme of Caravaggio's. I've tried to incorporate the material from existing entries of course. The page isn't quite finished - I want to add a few paintings which are ascribed to Caravaggio, including the Basle Baptist, and there are some details to clean up. But I'd be glad to have feedback on how you feel about the idea in itself, and also about how I've approached it. There's a danger, of course, since I tend to write in a rather subjective way, that I'm imposing my own readings too much.

Thanks everyone :) PiCo 01:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 1 to go

Wow, I was the one who added "The Calling of Saints Peter and Andrew". Now it seems there's only one Caravaggio work in the world that needs an article! How humiliating is it to be defeated by "Still Life with Fruit on a Stone Ledge"? I mean, I like fruit, but come on...! Lampman 01:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Lost me there friend. PalX 12:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, everyone! There are a few errors if the otherwise very well organized and meticulous list. I will correct the errors and cite some sources. I might be able to answer some of the questions asked in the other discussions but one thing at a time. My only bone to pick with the list is that the Museum of Ancient Art in Rome is made up of several different museums, none of which are near each other in the sense that it's not just crossing the street, and I think that they should be distinguished, in case anyone ever wants to go to the museums when in Rome. --KeithatET (talk) 18:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you help also on the matter of "possible" Caravaggios? The John the Baptists in particular interest me - I really do wonder just how plausible some of those ascriptions are. (They mostly come from Robb, and I'm mostly responsible). PiCo (talk) 19:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, it's me again. After reviewing the list, there are some further 'errors' although I'm sure that they are matters of debate. Some of the works listed as Caravaggio's are actually attributed works. I also corrected the link to the new Cardsharps that was found in December 2007 and purchased by Denis Mahon. It is currently at an exhibition in Trapani, Sicily and will be on loan to the Ashmolean from March 08. I removed the link for that photo/article to the Kimball Cardsharps since apparently there are differences between the two works. I'm going to try to find a photo of the new version - I have a friend who lives in Trapani. Maybe he can get one. I'll also expand the list of attributed Caravaggio's as there are a number of them that should be added. I will also correct the dimensions (in cm) and any other little errors. I'm using John T. Spikes 'Caravaggio' as my main reference as I think that it is the most thorough and accurate. I also added alternate Italian titles where applicable since some of the paintings are sometimes only referred to by those names and might be helpful for people interested/doing research who might think two works exist when there's only one. Otherwise, the list is great! --KeithatET (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I made some more chnages to the chronology. I think that the use of Robb as a source for Caravaggio's work should be used with care. I'm using John T Spike's 2001 Catalogue of the painter's works which seems to me to be very accurate. I've begun adding missing paintings and moving paintings around in the chronology. Some paintings are linked to incorrect images. I unlinked them since it was confusing me which Caravaggio was which. :) I've emailed a few museums to see if they have a digital image they would not mind uploading to wikipedia. Will update over the next few days/weeks. Thanks. --KeithatET (talk) 15:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Missing?

Recently attributed, plus another new attribution in Rome of I forget what, plus an early Supper at Emmaus seems to be missing. Johnbod (talk) 02:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks for the addition. You can add it or I will add it when I can. You seem to be a rather accomplished wikipedian that deals with Art related subjects. Would you want to work with me to get this up to FL status? Remember (talk) 02:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - I won't be able to do much, but will keep an eye on it. It's looking good, though some of the more faded images, like the National Gallery Boy with a Lizard, could be upgraded. Johnbod (talk) 13:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I didn't know there existed Featured Lists, but it sounds like a nice thing to aim for. Things to add might include ranges of dates for each work based on the 3 most recent authoritative studies, and notes on provenance/attribution - these things could go in the Notes section against each work.PiCo (talk) 13:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is this column necessary?

"Techniques" may be a little boring when there's only one exception to Oil On Canvass. PiCo (talk) 08:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)