Talk:Christianity in New Zealand

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[edit] Revert

With regards to the revert of my changes — I'm afraid I can't see how to interpret the edit summary: "This is an article about Christianity in NZ, irrespective of whether the content supports". I can only assume that the question of Christianity's official status in New Zealand is somehow deemed not to fit into the article's scope of "Christianity in New Zealand", but I assume the reverter doesn't mean that, given that he added the initial reference to the poll on that subject — if NZers opinions on official religion are valid, surely it's valid to state whether there is an official religion. (Or perhaps the complaint is that my expansion didn't focus on the question of Christianity's official status in New Zealand? It's true that I mentioned the Church of England, but only to contrast it with the different situation in NZ, and in a situation where I've seen people confuse the two.) -- Vardion 20:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I think Vardion's version is much better - the poll clearly relates to the issue of an official religion and not to opposition to Christianity. The title 'NZers' opposition to Christian religion' was ridiculous - not wanting an official religion does not make a person anti-Christian any more than it makes them anti-Muslim or anti-Hindu or whatever. It doesn't even necessarily make them anti-religion since they might just feel that religion is none of the state's business. --Helenalex 21:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Vardion does not have a version of the poll except to delete it completely? I tend to agree with you Helenalex. This entry is about Christianity in NZ and this specific poll is concerning Christianity in NZ which Vardon has reverted twice, (as it would appear that the results dont suit his personal religious agenda). I am going to revert Vardions unnecessary second revert and would kindly remind him of Wikipedias third revert policy.WP:3RR I would also suggest that the bulk of this article is without references to support and and some effort should be made to rectify this... with respect Mombas 07:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
If you'd look, you'd notice that I moved the poll results into an elaborated section on Christianity's official status (or rather, its lack of such). I didn't delete the poll results. In fact, the only person removing information from the article is yourself. (And if you feel that there are insufficient references for statements, you can mark them as such using {{fact}} -- Vardion 07:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Apologies, did not realise this poll had been buried into the main body of the article and while I prefer the original approach, I have no probs if you wish to revert to your own version given you are the primary editor of this article, that is providing the views of Helenalex are considered.(perhaps though a spell check on schoolchildren). On the question of references supporting the article it would give the whole thing some authenticity if it were better supported. kind regards Mombas 08:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
And my apologies for not making it clearer what I was doing, and for probably seeming rather hostile about it. I'll leave the article as it is, for now, and see what other people think about it. (And I agree that the more references, the better). -- Vardion 08:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems as though Mombas' objection was based mostly on not realising that the bit about the poll had been moved rather than deleted (took me a while to notice, as well). I still think the paragraph as Vardion had it should be restored - it now seems to have gone completely. The issue of an official religion is an interesting one and a poll saying a majority of NZers don't want one is relevant to this page. And in future let's all check changes properly before getting into edit wars. :) --Helenalex 21:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like fair comment to me.Mombas 22:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)