Talk:Christian libertarianism
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Christian libertarianism was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: December 4, 2007 |
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[edit] Page Creation Etc.
Well I have not had much time to invest in this article but I figured I would get it started as was suggested to me by the previous author. The Christian libertarianism page used to redirect to Christian anarchism so several months ago I posted a "rant" on the Christian anarchism talk page about the lack of similarity between the two ideologies. In the same discussion, nirvana2013 responded "I would suggest starting an article stub on Christian libertarianism. nirvana2013 08:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)".
It turns out that nirvana2013 was the author who created the original Christian libertarianism page and the redirect to Christian anarchism. Recently when I returned to edit the page and eliminate the redirect, I found it deleted with the following reason code: (CSD G7: Author Requests Deletion). I checked the Christian anarchism page and there were no arguments in the Christian libertarianism section of the talk page after the suggestion by nirvana2013 to create the stub.
I'm going to have to assume from the distinct lack of argument and the abandonment of the page by nirvana2013 that there is no objection to the existence of this page and therefore here it is.
As I have no professional scholarly writing experience, I am hoping that others will help fill this page out and keep it fair, accurate and polished. Thanks.
WDRev 01:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] General Discussion
Now that this page has been edited by somebody other than myself, technically it looks like three others, I feel like it's been accepted by the "powers that be". I did notice, however, that one of the edits appears to be a spam link. I'm not exactly sure what the official guidelines are for a See Also section but it was my intention to put articles in there that were related to Christian libertarianism, with a couple of links to the main Christian and libertarian articles.
It looks like somebody with an IP address thought that definition should be expanded to include all articles related to Christian political movements. If that were the case I think the list would get somewhat lengthy. They then put in a link to Christian Exodus which appears to be a fringe Christian Constitutionalist group. I suspect it was spam oriented as the same user added the same link to another article on the same day.
For the record, I oppose the link because it is not a main article for Christianity or libertarianism and it does not appear to be a group espousing anything like Christian libertarianism. I'll take it out for now and if anybody wants to argue for it, please explain why that link would rank above fifty or a hundred links to other Christian political groups. Thanks,
WDRev 23:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Libertarian Christianity Distinction
I'm curious now as to where the idea came from that Christian libertarianism is so closely aligned with Theonomy and Reconstructionism. I'll try to get around to the references and read up. Unfortunately, there is a shortage of official information on Christian libertarianism but in my experience, it's a small percentage of those labeled as Christian libertarians that come from the Theonomy camp. It was certainly not my intention when I created the page that it would evolve into another Reconstructionism page. I was mostly trying to establish the differences with the mainstream Anarchy groups, as is obvious from the opening paragraphs. The Christian libertarian groups that I have known have always been very general and inclusive in their beliefs. If anything, I'd say that Libertarian Christianity as described on the page by that name is, a subset of Christian libertarianism and not a separate camp.
WDRev (talk) 23:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Liberation Theology
After looking at the liberation theology page it confirms what I thought about that philosophy, that it interprets the bible to mean that Christians are to advocate the use of force to bring about social or socialist changes. I think it would be more appropriate to put this link in the see also section if at all. Since Christian libertarians usually espouse that force can only legitimately be used in self defense and that government should be minimized, I don't think this falls under that category. It seems to me that they are more like parallels and not one a member of the other. I'll wait a few days for a comment before moving it though.
--WDRev 01:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if I just forgot to take it out or if I took it out and someone put it back but I did finally remove the Liberation Theology category. I left it under the see also section but I'm not completely sure why it should be there either.
WDRev 04:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Miscellaneous
Oops, in case anyone takes issue with the edits done by 69.148.170.245 on 2007-09-02, that was me, Wdrev.
--WDRev 22:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Made modifications to accommodate creation of Libertarian_Christianity page. ---(ClauLeo (talk) 04:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC))
Removed the following hyperlink from the first reference, because the link has been hacked so that it doesn't go to the referenced article: The Christian Libertarian Idea --- (ClauLeo (talk) 21:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC))
[edit] Good article review
This article is very stubby. It needs a good chunk more material to have broad coverage. There are citation templates unanswered. In general, this article needs a lot of work to reach good article standards. Please review Wikipedia:What is a good article? in order to get a better idea of what is required. Vassyana 07:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Vassyana. At least that's something. I really just wanted a suggestion as to what to work on next. I'm glad you didn't say it was horribly biased or something equally condemning. This gives us something on which to focus. WDRev (talk) 21:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Criticism of Christian Libertarianism
I removed the "POV" template because its insertion violates this standard: "Drive-by tagging is strongly discouraged. The editor who adds the tag must address the issues on the talk page, pointing to specific issues that are actionable within the content policies, namely ... Simply being of the opinion that a page is not neutral is not sufficient to justify the addition of the tag. Tags should be added as a last resort." --- ClauLeo (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] POV in the criticisms
Something should be done to fix statements like this: "People who oppose Christian libertarianism fall into basically two groups: (a)statists who oppose all libertarian and anarchist factions because these factions are perceived as threats to statist political agendas" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.130.198 (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
How does this statement need to be fixed? How is it not neutral? Aren't statists and libertarians/anarchists virtually opposites, and therefore by nature opposed to one another? --- ClauLeo (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
