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[edit] From Trojani

Regarding your comments; "Interesting, racial theorists from the 1930's are evidently the ultimate authorities on this subject;-) Now don't even think about trying to mention a word about this in the article Chlämens

Whats the difference beweeen this 2; "Anthropology

According to the anthropological studies of Theodoros K. Pitsios, Arvanites in the Peloponnese in the 1970s were physically indistinguishable from other Greek inhabitants of the same region. This may indicate that either the Arvanites shared extant physical similarities with other Greek populations or that early Arvanite groups extensively incorporated parts of the autochthonous Greek population."[1]

"Albania and the Dinaric Race by Carleton Coon" http://www.snpa.nordish.net/chapter-XII13.htm


Why the one in Arvanite article stays while my efforts are categorically disregarded. Regards Trojani 14:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not involved with the Arvanite article right now, mainly because I am not very familiar with the topic, you are going to have to discuss that with the editors there, and not with me; I find the entire section a bit sketchy, but at least the current version cites recent research, the website you quoted does not even mention either the Greeks or the Arvanites, so could you specify how this research conducted in the 1930's about the height of Montenegrins and Northern Albanians is relevant to the issue at hand? Again, no one disputes that the Arvanites are of Albanian origin, so there is no need to make claims that the Arvanites are a separate "race" from the Greeks. --Chlämens 03:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


Mr Chlämens! Familiarity with topics somtimes are crucial in debates such as this, example; 1)Are you familiar with Albanian serb conflict? 2) are you Familiar with Albanian Greek conflict? 3) Are you familiar with the editors on Arvanite article, do you know that most of them are Greeks? Familiar with the this text?; "Today, many Arvanites prefer to regard Arvanitika as different from Albanian. Since Arvanitika is almost exclusively a spoken language" [2] This is nationalistic propaganda, more precise a Greek nationalistic propaganda. They (Greeks) even deleted my efforts to dabate the issue.

Physical Anthropology; The resarch i quoted are taken from Carleton Steven Coon, he is the "father" of physical anthropology and i was not trying to incorporate him in the linguistical section but in the article Origin of the Albanians. Nuk mundë te gjesh shume studime antropologjike që trajtojne Ballkanin (në nivelin a rrafshit shkencorë) ashtu si teoria e Dinarikëve që përmban emrin e zotri Carleton Steven Coon, more over i am not the only one who uses him as a source. Even Fut.Perf.Sun uses him as a source, see "It's a study based on anthropological methdology taken from models such as Carleton S. Coon and Pitsios' teacher, Aris Poulianos (the kind of study where you measure people's skulls and hair colour and stuff).

In other words the anthropology part of Arvanite article is based on Carleton Steven Coon among others, so what it so strange if i use him in Origin of Albanian article aswell? Trojani 15:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The website you keep bringing up doesn't prove any of your points; if you actually bother to read through the thing it compares people's heights and uses completely outdated terms. The days when we tried to divide the people of Europe into "Nordic", "Alpine", or "Dinaric" and god knows what other races are fortunately over. The section that's in the article right now isn't much better though; I'll probably suggest removing that anthropology part all together at some point.
Where is the edit in which Greek nationalists deleted your discussion? If many Arvanites regard their language as Albanian as you say, then you should have no problem finding a reliable source for that, in which case I'll gladly support your edits. Your last edit to the Origin of Albanians article cites a credible source and is relevant to the article, hence, it has not been deleted. No one denies that Arvanitika is basically a Tosk variant, the fact that many Arvanites don't seem to like that fact is a separate issue from that. --Chlämens 04:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


I have very little interes in having an endless debate over this issue, let us just focus on the main issue.Why can serbs use dr Coon here:[3] at the bottom, the section "Theory of modern-day Serbs origin" earlier version was;

  1. Peoples of Dinaric Race (Vlachs, Illyrians, and Thracians), who became Slavicized after the arrival of Slavs to Balkans

I deleted that but is has been a part of the article for a long long time and probably will be reverted again. why double standards?Trojani 13:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Eh...you are the person who added the statement citing Coon in the first place [4]. --Chlämens 21:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you were a little cynical with Trojan. His questions was about double standarts and you didn't answer his question. Also about the theory about Albanian descendance I know that there was another place in Caucasus which was called Iberia in ancient times, but I can not find or remeber a theory linking Spaniards with them in Wikipedia:). The theories that have been proved wrong centuries ago should not be refered as hypothesis. Best regards Aigest (talk) 12:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


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Hallo Chlämens, das chönnti dich interessiärä: User_talk:Black_Falcon#Category:User_als-N Gruäss DidiWeidmann (talk) 19:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)