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[edit] List of young actors

My Userpage has a list of several young actors that need to be listed here (don't confuse them with the other kids). Also there's a List of teen idols around. -- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 20:06, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] moved list

I hate lists in the middle of articles. It just makes people add to the list and the article suffers, as it is easier to add a name than a meaningful sentence.

Those interested can add names to the List of child actors and might also consider adding child actor articles to category:child actors.

Quill 11:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Becoming a child actor?

How does one become a child actor? Obviously it's too late for me, but I am interested in a general sense. Can you send resumes to a movie studio, or do you just have to look cute enough so they'll spot you first? — JIP | Talk 17:17, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Major edit

I have rewritten the article on Child Actors. The original was decidedly slanted by portraying a preponderance of problems involved with child actors, where the verifiable reality is that child actors and non-actors experience the same rate of success for making a successful transition to adulthood. Child actors are not, in actuality, primed for adult failure.

I rewrote the article to begin with, to correct the misreading I had noticed in an original version, which was highly biased in favor of the industry. The original writers read the article to state "child actors have no greater incidence of problems than the rest of the population," where the very article they cited specifically listed several problems that child actors do in fact have, and any contrary interpretation could only base itself on some vapid "wellbeing assessment scale," or some such thing.

I myself had to work rather extensively in this industry as a child, and since I have gained some level of education, I feel it is my responsibility to respond to these individuals who appear highly motivated to justify the practices in this industry. Throughout history, precedents have existed for acting being a profession not suitable for certain persons. Justinian's marriage to Theodora was a scandal because she was an "actress." In addition, Shakespeare's plays would not use females, because acting was not considered a respectable profession. Why do we have these consistent "issues" with the unsuitability of these professions for people deemed worthy of protection? Those of us who did work in this profession can "feel" the reason why. To me, it really did feel like I was being exploited, and that feeling "stuck." Just because you can point to a few people who's lives were not utterly devastated by their experience does not make the profession suitable for everyone. The reasoning you use is highly fallacious for that reason. Additionally, the only factor determining whether children work in this profession is the motivation of the caretakers, not their own personal suitability. 72.173.99.16 13:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Plus, don't ever forget how far Hollywood scumbags will go to rationalize the moral high ground, despite the trail of devastation they leave in their wake.

I have made the following changes: 1) I have removed the reference to "high rates of substance abuse" because a citation was needed. 2) I have removed the reference to "Children as Chattels" as this was an editorial written about specific child actors, selectively those with problems. It could not be considered an objective source of information on the same level as a psychological study performed according to accepted methodology. 3) I have also removed the reference to child actors limiting themselves to adult friends, as this is both imprecise ("limited" how far?) and is not necessarily considered a problem. Indeed some people question the wisdom of the current American educational model, for example, which is to put 30 children, all aged 14, into a single 8th grade classroom under the supervision of one teacher and (possibly) one teacher's aide. A writer above makes the point that "Hollywood scumbags ... rationalize the moral high ground." I would definitely agree that this is the case in many instances and it results from caring more about money and career than about people. The best remedy for this is for those who care about the child actor the most, their parents, to gain a level head about the business and be willing to decline "opportunities" if they are in fact harmful to the child. To paraphrase a saying of Jesus, "What does it profit a man [a child actor], to gain the whole world [to gain money and fame as a child actor] if he loses his own soul?" 65.244.245.5 20:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What about the rest of the world?

This article fails to notice that the world outside of North America even exists. Rhollenton 17:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree to this comment. Therefore I added the fact-template [citation needed] and added the words "In some countries" to the sentence about the prohibiting rules. I have no knowledge about the existence of these rules, even for North America. There is lots of child nudity (Pretty Baby), morally compromising situations (Taxi Driver) and engaging in overt sexual acts (Kids) in movies from this country. Ik.pas.aan 22:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
In some countries? Which are those countries? Are the rules the same for all of them? Are child actors allowed to do stunts in some of those countries and no sex scenes; and in others it's vice versa? Which countries are those that have no rules for child actors and allow all of this?
Can you see where I'm going with this? The phrase in some countries is terribly broad and practically meaningless. Somebody should either remove it or provide examples.TomorrowTime 16:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rules

Another rule, child actors are not allowed to swear, use drugs, alcohol, or even smoke, or even refer to any of those, plus they're not allowed to fight anyone, such as violent movies including Street Fighter which has ONLY adult actors/actresses. --PJ Pete

I find this hard to believe, as TV and film is littered with examples of profanity from child actors for one. It's usually taken as fact that any responsible producer would not give the child actor real drugs, alcohol or cigarettes (preferring instead to use items that look authentic but the contents are non-existent or substitutes), and as for violence - depends entirely on the production and nature of the violence - a world of difference between 3 Ninjas and Street Fighter. NKTP 09:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inappropriate behavior section

This section suffers from several NPOV issues such as:

  • What constitutes "inappropriate behavior" is not defined, only a vague reference to Disney taking steps to prohibit child actors from exposure to it. What inappropriate behavior do activists consider a danger to child actors? What if, any of those concerns has have film makers taken issue with?
  • Since the section mentions that some U.S. films have in the past featured nudity involving minors, their should some discussion of the fact that non-sexual underage nudity is legal under U.S. federal law and the laws of many western European countries. Under U.S. federal law the context of the nudity is important to determining the legality of the child nudity. Mere nudity not involving lascivious exhibition of the genitals is not illegal under U.S. federal law.
  • Generally, in the U.S., if a film involves legal child nudity, the studio will still be required to get parental consent for the scene. This fact should be added also.
  • While some countries do indeed ban even non-sexual child nudity in TV, film, and stage, I fail to see how that is directly relevant to what movies studios do in the U.S. with regard to underage nudity provided they comply with U.S. law.
  • Child nudity in film has been controversial in the past such a Brooke Shield's nude scenes in the film Pretty Baby and thus it is valid to point this out but we must be clear not everyone views such nudity as wrong, particularly if it is non-sexual and viewed as being artistically relevant.

--Cab88 14:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removal of inappropriate behavior section

I've decided to remove the following text for NPOV and accuracy issues which I previously mentioned on this talk page. If someone feels a section on "inappropriate behavior " among child actors is needed then please provide sources and make sure that the concept is defined in the section.

In the United States, despite the ban of nudity involving juvenile performers that exists in other countries, child actresses have appeared nude in several motion pictures. One example is when Olivia Hussey filmed a sex scene with Leonard Whiting in Romeo and Juliet. She was 15 at the time, and she showed her breasts for a split second in that scene. Another example is when Brooke Shields (or a body double of comparable age) appeared nude in Pretty Baby (1978), a film in which the 12-year-old actress plays a prostitute over whom a much older photographer becomes obsessed. Two years later, Shields appeared partially nude alongside child actor Christopher Atkins, with whom, as a castaway from a shipwreck, she set up housekeeping, in Blue Lagoon (1980). A then-barely 17-year-old Thora Birch showed her breasts in the film American Beauty (1999), under the aegis of her parents and legal representatives ensuring that the particular scene had artistic integrity.

--Cab88 11:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Effects of Working on Child Actors

Seems like there should be some indication in the article that the high pressure work environment into which a child actor is thrust is not conducive to healthy progression through the stages of social development in an ordinary child. The child is required, under penalty of corporal punishment perhaps, to work on command. That work involves contracts which the parents, not the actor, sign. The child must attend promotional events, often without compensation. In America, the child actor is treated as property with no bargaining power. The assumption is the child is better off working than not working and that a replacement actor can be had with little difficulty. Child actors exist because there are parents, especially mothers, who are often failed show business personalities who vicariously live out their fantasies through their children. The inherently exploitative nature of the process is of much less concern to the business types who arrange the work and the schedules than making money. They maximize the output while minimizing the cost. A child who works all the time does not properly socialize with otherwise similarly situated youths. A child who works all the time may well not be getting the quality education he otherwise would have been afforded and thus is less than optimally prepared for life after show business. A child who becomes famous while working encounters odd reactions when placed in otherwise normal circumstances such as being surrounded by throngs of curious children and adults, and being bullied or exploited by those who motivation is not friendship, but the cachet of association with the rich (supposedly) and famous. A child actor who has spent his developmental years constantly working becomes disoriented when the work stops. The endless accolades are replaced with silence and rejection. --72.75.86.145 (talk) 04:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)