Talk:Chick Publications Inc./Archive 3

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Contents 1 Dungeons and Dragons claims 2 Paul Sammon/OUTcast 3 Chick flicks? 4 That Crazy Guy 5 What about Thanksgiving?

Dungeons and Dragons claims

Perhaps a comment that many D&D gamers actually find these claims hilarious? Certainly I've seen links to "Dark Dungeons" in the humour section of many boards.

- Sir Ophiuchus (who can't be bothered to log in)

'Dark Dungeons, which insinuates that Dungeons and Dragons players are Satanists, is famous for inspiring many parodies...' --Calair 01:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I find it hilarious. There you go. --Cheeesemonger 19:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

As a former D&D player (that's where I get the "Paladin" part of my name), I can attest to the fact that many players enjoyed playing "evil" characters and they themselves were either atheists or hateful of Christianity. Don't get me wrong I loved and still love the game, but D&D poses ethical issues for persons of faith who roleplay characters in evil forms. Jtpaladin 11:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Please cite a reliable source to include this. Benjiboi 13:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Paul Sammon/OUTcast

International criticism has been led by Paul Sammon of "OUTcast", a somewhat militant gay rights group which sprung from Outrage!. OUTcast support Chick's opinions on almost all issues, but do not believe that homosexuality is wrong, instead seeing it as creating a group of modern day monks.

Googling on '+"paul sammon" +"gay rights"' produces just two hits, neither of which support any of this - there is a sci-fi author by that name, and a New Zealand physical-education lecturer, but I couldn't find anything connecting them with gay rights.

Googling on '+"paul sammon" +"jack chick"' produces just one hit, with no relevant content. Googling on '+"paul sammon" +"chick tracts"' produces no hits at all, likewise for '+"paul sammon" +"chick tract"' and '+"paul sammon" +"chick publications"'. The idea of a 'militant gay rights group' that 'supports Chick's opinions on almost all issues' is bizarre, and needs supporting documentation. In the absence of any supporting cites, I'm therefore deleting this passage (again); please do not re-add it without providing evidence. At the very least, claiming that this person has 'led' international criticism is a tremendous exaggeration. --Calair 00:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, sorry about reverting it without checking on the name Paul Sammon. As I said, I knew the group existed, and so assumed that it could well be true about the person. I have no problem with the deletion, and leave it to whoever entered it initially to back up what they have entered. 134.226.1.136 12:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Chick flicks?

JC's come out against chick-flicks? I need to know which tract that was in, so I can print it out and slip it into my wife's DVD collection ;-) --Calair 11:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• That was an uncited assumption on my part. Most "chick flicks" deal with subject matter that Herr Chick would likely oppose. Wahkeenah 18:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

In that case, as cute as it is, probably shouldn't be in the article :-/ --Calair 00:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it's true. We'll see who challenges it. Wahkeenah 00:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it should be in the article if you can't substantiate it. Please find the tract, a reference, or remove the edit. --KSnortum 01:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with KSnortum that speculation about Chick's views (even plausible speculation) shouldn't be here; if there's good evidence for that speculation, just offer the evidence. But that's not really the issue here, because the sentence is about something more specific:

Chick is most famous for his publications on issues that are highly controversial even within Christianity, such as Occultism, Freemasonry [2], Catholicism [3], Islam [4], abortion, and homosexuality, which many fundamentalist Protestant Christians believe are sinful — together with more mundane activities such as role-playing games and popular music... and, ironically enough, Chick flicks.

This is about Chick's publications. I'm aware of publications that specifically address each of the other issues in that list (music here, the rest are very easy to find). Unless he's put out a publication about chick-flicks, they just don't fit in this list. --Calair 01:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually surprised that he doesn't seem to have much to say about Hollywood in general, which is a typical hot-button issue for his kind. Is he unaware of the existence of motion pictures? Wahkeenah 01:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't thought about that before, but now you mention it, that is odd. He must be aware of movies, because he throws in movie references now and then to make the tracts more appealing - 'Boo!' is based on slasher flicks, and then there are cutesy tract titles like 'The Gay Blade' and 'The Terminator'. But I can't remember him ever doing a tract about movies; 'Bewitched' is about as close as it gets. Can't be for lack of material; there's certainly plenty in Hollywood to offend Chick's sensibilities. --Calair 05:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I reckon even a zealot can't cover all the bases. But if he targets rock music, you would think he would target "Hollywood liberals". I don't know what to think at this point. Maybe I should send him an e-mail and ask him what he thinks about "Brokeback Mountain". Come to think of it, that's a chick flick, and I'm sure he thinks it's horrible. (I haven't seen it, as I'm not really into westerns). Wahkeenah 06:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

That Crazy Guy

Sadly, the current version of That Crazy Guy has almost nothing about Craig's personality. Because the source has changed, I edited out the description of it as a parody of Steve Martin's character. Chip Unicorn 17:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

hi Chip, the title is derived from A Wild and Crazy Guy, a steve martin album. Chick thought martin's jokes about VD were NOT funny, so he responded with this tract. craig's look is also derived from steve martin. --Ghetteaux 18:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty hard to tell that just from the comic - there's only one panel showing Craig, and he's wearing sunglasses. A source would be good here. --Calair 01:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

compare the image to the right with the cover illustration. also, compare the title to steve martin's comedy album. ALso note that A Wild and Crazy Guy makes numerous comedic references to Venereal Disease. open and shut case, like star wars / spaceballs. --Ghetteaux 11:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I agree that it references Steve Martin's comedy routine. But I would hardly call it a critique. I've changed the description once more. Does this work for you?

how about this one? it is a "response" --Ghetteaux 10:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Works great by me!  :-> Chip Unicorn 17:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

What about Thanksgiving?

I figured out that the Chick Publications article has something missing, and that is Thanksgiving. Chick thinks that Thanksgiving is in danger, and he inaccurately tells the "true" history of Thanksgiving in his tract The Missing Day; as its summary claims: "The nation that stops being thankful and forgets God is heading for judgement [sic]." There's a link to it here. --Angeldeb82 21:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

A few quick comments: 1. If you feel that this tract is significant, put a reference in the article. 2. I don't think that Chick tract says that Thanksgiving is evil. He says "Thanksgiving was once our most honored day. But today it's a jobe. We're not thankful for anything. And this offends God." 3. Wow -- Chick throws in a lot of stereotypes. Chip Unicorn 22:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you misspelled "joke". I think I "understand" that Thanksgiving is "a religious holiday that is vandalized by sinners in the world thankful for Mom, beer, and apple pie". It is in fact a national holiday. Chick somehow misunderstood it. --Angeldeb82 23:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You clearly misunderstood, since He isn't calling Thanksgiving evil at all. Re-read the tract again. Keero 09:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I know that. I've since changed it to "Thanksgiving is in danger". Is that better? --Angeldeb82 19:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)