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[edit] New developments

As most people are probably aware the Spire has been approved by the city and it looks like Kelleher is going to move as quickly as possible to get this project moving. Chupper 17:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Building status

I've moved the building from "approved" status to "construction imminent" as several papers are now saying construction will begin in a matter of weeks or by the end of the month. Let's move it to an under construction status as soon as they start construction of the actual building. Chupper 17:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's a cite for construction status. http://www.newcityskyline.com/TheChicagoSpireisofficiallyunderconstruction.html 03:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New article layout

Once construction begins I'll relayout the article. The development/political history and status sections will be merged to create a sort of big history section. I'll be working on this layout over at User:Chupper/Sandbox04. Feel free to make changes there until that temporary page is moved here (after construction starts). Chupper 17:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Construction

Crane parts arrived today at the site of the Chicago Spire. A press release is anticipated for release tomorrow. Assuming Shelbourne announces a construction date or announces that construction has begun, the temporary page "construction page" will be moved here at the appropriate time. At that point any referenced additions to the new construction section would be appreciated. Chupper 03:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I've made the changes and moved the new layout article here. When construction "officially" starts we'll need to switch the tag, update the information in the infobox, and change the first sentence in the lead section. Chupper 20:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Under construction

The Chicago Spire has crossed the very thin line into an "under construction" status. Someone has photographed caissons being drilled and inserted into the ground. I've referenced a forum which shows that picture and has updated the status to under construction within their own forum. As soon as I get a better reference I'll use it, but that image right now seems to be the best indicator. Chupper 19:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Scratch that, it looks likes thats not a caisson but it looks like "they need to grout an old freight tunnel." I've also jumped the gun a bit. I've reverted the status update. Chupper 19:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
They have begun construction on the actual building and are no longer just preparing the site. I've updated the status for the article. The Chicago Spire is under construction. Chupper 18:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Can you find some better source than UC status on some buildings database or messages in forums? Why is nothing on developers website http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/ ? --Jklamo 22:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Well I usually consider Emporis pretty reputable. If you feel it is not, feel free to revert the edits. Otherwise no, that is the only source I have. I no longer use "forums" as sources. Chupper 03:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Good. I, to use the phrase "jumped gun", earlier in the month. What about the template box? - thank you Astuishin (talk) 05:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
If our source reverted the listing, we did need to change it back. Thanks for staying on top of this guys. I've also switched the templates from under construction back to future building. Chupper 13:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and Jklamo, when construction does officially start according to a reference or two, I doubt it will be Shelbourne. They've stated that they will be holding no official ceremonies until construction is complete. I'm not expecting something from them... Chupper 13:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
There was a picture of the construction in Friday's Tribune, it had a small caption underneath explaining the construction had officially begun but no accompanying article. Of course I don't if the paper post its pictures online.- thank you Astuishin (talk) 16:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I just checked out the caption in the Trib. The caption does not clearly state that construction has begun. As soon as we find any other reputale reference stating construction has begun, we can use it. Chupper 03:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

As of August 1, it would seem the Spire is under construction as caissons were being drilled.chazman 19:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I've used a reference another user tried to add to the page stating it was under construction. I've changed the page now that we have a reference. Chupper 14:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Why does the status keep being reverted back to construction imminent? The building is clearly under construction. http://www.newcityskyline.com/TheChicagoSpireisofficiallyunderconstruction.html—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.74.66.161 (talk) 23:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Remember, Wikipedia needs references. You just provided one here, as did another use in the edit history. All you would have done is switched the status, and used <ref> formatting to add in the reference, and it would have not been reverted. See WP:REF. Chupper 14:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Emporis listing.

User "209.253.119.2" recently reinserted Emporis in as an external link for this article stating "Emporis link restored; no reason not to show a major reference" in the edit summary. I do not feel it should be listed in the external links section for the following reasons:

  • Emporis is not a "major reference" for this article. On some of these smaller Chicago building article I could see listing it, even though it sill violates WP:EL, because there is just so little information. However Emporis is only used to reference 1 fact in this article. The other 46 references use web sites, books, and newspaper articles as sources.
  • In addition, per WP:EL "Links normally to be avoided", it violates criteria #1 - "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article".
  • It is already listed as a reference notes section.

Chupper 13:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay that's fine, I'll leave it. But Emporis is a good source for images and it's the most authoritative source for exact height information, so I believe the link would be valuable, or at least interesting, to people visiting this page. 209.253.119.2 02:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Emporis is valuable for any high rise reference. 68.180.38.41 03:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Is there something you wanted to actually reference with it? Or do you want to add it to the external links? If it is the latter take a look at the comments above and also WP:EL. Chupper 20:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] structural engineering of chicago spire

Thornton Tomasetti is the structural engineer for the Chicago Spire. In general we are responsible for major structural aspects of the building including the superstructure design, foundation design, and construction coordination.

I would like to include the structural engineer in the article sidebar as well as referencing it within the article.

As time goes on, I can provide detailed specifics about the building as it is being constructed.

See www.thorntontomasetti.com for a press release under "News & Events"

Cozmojoe 23:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Any specifics about the building you could provide would be very helpful! Please note though that promoting yourself or using self published sources on Wikipedia is not allowed (See WP:SPS). If you can provide a reference here stating that Thornton Tomasetti is the structural engineer for the Chicago Spire project, it would be appreciated. It can be included in the infobox - but we need a reference first. After visiting http://www.thorntontomasetti.com, there are no press releases related to the Chicago Spire as of 6:53PM CDT 07/31/07. Chupper 23:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
See www.thorntontomasetti.com/news November 2006
Also includes important information about the local architect. As I imagine, Perkins+Will will become the architect of record, while Santiago Calatrava will not perform construction administration duties.Cozmojoe 03:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again. I assumed it was something recent and looked for it somewhere in May, June or July. Shelbourne's press release is already used in this article. I've added the company name in as the structural engineer and used Shelbourne's press release as the reference. Thank you sir, Chupper 13:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Drill Bit

I've notice some my fellow Chicagoans referring to the Spire as "the drill bit" when discussions of it come up. I wonder if this should be incorporated into the article. hmmm... probably need to wait until the Sun Times/Trib/Chicago Mag does some sort of man in the street piece on the Spire that mentions it. Buster 19:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

This is already included. Check the design section, second paragraph, last sentence. Chupper 12:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spire diameter

Does anyone know the exact diameter of the base (or widest point) of the tower? Judging by these two pictures [[1]][[2]], it looks like it's maybe just above 200' (~60m). Does this figure seem reasonable? ataricom (talk) 02:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago Spire Height Comparison

The Chicago Spire is going to be the second tallest building in 2011 so I thought that it would be more relevant if we compared the second tallest building to the first tallest building the Burj Dubai. This makes sense, so we can see the differences in size of the two tallest buildings in the world, and not just buildings in North America.Maldek (talk) 22:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

In the USA, possibly the country that has done most to promote the building of skyscrapers, the comparison with other North American landmark buildings is quite possibly more important. However, there is some value in mentioning that the Chicago Spire will be the second tallest after the Burj Dubai. So let's keep both comparisons. Astronaut (talk) 12:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago Spire Completion date/ official source?

On this site it says the Chicago Spire will be completed in 2011. I have seen that on the Freedom Tower site it says 2010 and on the site I have listed below it says 2009, so where is the official source that will tell me the completion date for the Chicago Spire. I also have the same problem with the Freedom Tower as I have heard completion dates that have said 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and even 2012. Where is the offical source that I can go to, to see the offical completion dates of the Chicago Spire and the Freedom Tower, because I am so confused now. Here is what I found on the Chicago Spire stating 2009, but I have no idea where the offical source is on either of these towers

Official Name: The Chicago Spire Formerly: The Fordham Spire Designed by: Santiago Calatrava Construction Start: 2007 Construction Completed: 2009 Cost: $2,400,000,000.00 Type: Skyscraper Stories: 150 Maximum Height: 2,000 feet / 610 meters

(including spires, antennae, etc...)

Location: 400 North Lake Shore Drive Area: Near North Side Post Code: 60611 City: Chicago, IllinoisMaldek (talk) 23:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Maldek, the best source is the developer themselves, right? Just click the reference in the infobox and you will find http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/press_release.php?id=82 - Shelbourne, the developer, flat out says "2011". Chupper (talk) 14:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)