Talk:Chernobyl disaster effects

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[edit] Assessment Summary

The article itself meets the various requirements of a good article. I'd like to seem some more in-article references, but otherwise, its ok. I cna agree in some respects with the comments listed below. However, my assessment is derived from the article as presented, not where it might be merged or what it is duplicative of. SkipperClipper 02:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I do not think this topic should exist both here and on the Chernobyl disaster page.

Either the entire article should be moved from the main page to here, leaving only the link, or this page should be removed leaving the topic on the main page.

Linking out while the topic remains on the main page leaves two pages to be updated by editors and a comparison between the two shows that the main page is being updated far more frequently than this one. BRT01 02:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


This article should be incorporated into the Chernobyl disaster article. There is already information regarding the effects on that page, and a certain amount of redundancy exists between the two. They should be merged and rationalized. Biddlesby 11:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not in favor of the merger. The Chernobyl Disaster article is already far too long. So a summary of effects should be left there with a reference to the Chernobyl disaster effects article.
Don't forget that there is also the Red Forest article to consider, as it has a lot about effects on the natural world. Would you be wanting to merge it too? I think not. -- Johnfos 21:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The Red Forest article should stay separate in my opinion. Also, the combined length of two 'effects' articles - one separate and one included - is greater than just one. If the articles are not merged then the content from the included section should be merged into the separate page. Biddlesby 14:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
If you go in to edit Chernobyl disaster, this is the message at the top of the editing page: "This page is 85 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See Wikipedia:Article size." So we should be looking to rationalise the situation by splitting more articles off the Chernobyl disaster article, not trying to build onto it. Can't you see this? -- Johnfos 10:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm against the merger, as the disaster effects is a long enough, and important enough, article to stand on its own. It looks like the redundancy in the main article as already been taken out. Topkai22 10:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

  • I think the articles should be merged because this article is in a way continued on in the main page, with the immediate results and the health and farming effects.
  • The main Chernobyl disaster article is already long, disaster effects deserve another, more in-depth article. Redundant text should be cleaned up.--JyriL talk 22:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • against the merger, the article Red Forest stands on its own, and if someone feels it douse not, well Than I say to you "Be Bold" and Edit it. Max ╦╩ 23:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Forest

I think there should be a section or Whole page to the Red Forest. Right now 'Red Forest' redirects Chernobyl disaster effects. I would like to help on the new section or pageMax 16:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I also agree that the Red Forest article should be merge with this one, the red forest is definatly an effect of the Chernobyl disaster and hence should be on this page Would also love to help with the new section

[edit] Not a good article

There aren't barely any citations, and death counts are so low you might expect them to come from old sources of soviet propaganda —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.39.207.98 (talk • contribs).

There are 33 citations. You are welcome to provide data on death counts that are less "old," as well as cite these. Be bold!.--Riurik(discuss) 05:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Radioactive fallout caesium137 after Chernobyl.jpg

Image:Radioactive fallout caesium137 after Chernobyl.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 04:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

This article does not present the controversy in a neutral light. The various reports on health effects must be contrasted against the internationally accepted UNSCEAR and IAEA reports. I'm not trying to downplay the controversy, but to only show reports saying that there are tens of thousands of deaths and to not include the official UN reports saying that there are essentially none, is dishonest. See the UNSCEAR report at: http://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/chernobyl.html#Health I feel that presenting the various reports in order based on severity will help greatly. Lwnf360 20:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

This sounds like a good, easy-to-follow scheme. The citations will need to be strong of course and I fear there may be some opposition, as demonstrated by this "soviet propaganda" comment above. --Old Moonraker 22:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
UNSCEAR and IAEA reports used to be part of this entry. I am not surprised that they gradually disappeared. They should be included. While having a pov discussion is helpful, why not include the missing material with references and make a comment about it on the Talk Page? As it is, there has been no progress on this article since 16 October.--Riurik(discuss) 16:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, all reports should be included. But UNSCEAR and IAEA reports are not better than others. These organizations are prone to various political manipulations. They are less reliable than normal publications in scientific journals or studies by independent national or international organizations.Biophys (talk) 00:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Cartcriirad.gif

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BetacommandBot 20:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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Chernobyl contamination effect in Finland http://www.stuk.fi/sateilytietoa/sateily_ymparistossa/tshernobyl/cesiumlaskeuma/fi_FI/laskeuma/

This is from Finnish Radiation and Nuclear Safety Authority ( http://www.stuk.fi/en_GB/)

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[edit] Map

If anyone has or knows of a map we can use for this article, it would be much appreciated. Without a map displaying Cesium-137 (or other radioactive isotope) deposition over the entire European continent the article seems to emphasize the local effects. For example, Scandinavia and Switzerland received substantial radiation. A good (but possibly unsuitable for Wikipedia due to copyright) map is here. -kslays (talk • contribs) 22:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)