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Contents 1 The Royal Imperial Family 2 Criticism of the Cheka? 3 how do you create a redirect? 4 date of 1922 redesignation/merge 5 Name 6 YouTube clip from the Russian film "Chekist" 7 New article for "Cheka" abbreviation ("may mean any one of these")?

[edit] The Royal Imperial Family

Should more, perhaps, be made of the Cheka's involvement with the death of the Tsar and his family be made on this page. Or is it something too trivial for want of a better word to have on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.180.208 (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of the Cheka?

This article reads like something out of the Soviet-era Pravda. How about incorporating criticism and descriptions of Cheka's totalitarian tactics instead of reproducing the official party line on this instrument of repression and violence? Porfyrios 20:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

See Natasha? the Cheka were really good guys after all! Wetman 17:56, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC) (awaiting further information)

No one likes much FBI, SIS, Siguranca, KGB, but don't forget, it is a necessary tool of the state, so better refrain from trivial good/bad black/white evaluations. No one likes hangman, and hangmen are not the prime of mankind. So if you are avaiting further information about cruelty of cheka, please pour it here only in reasonable amounts. Mikkalai 18:10, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Even so, some criticism is needed. The page is seemingly devoid of any criticism at the moment. --Flask 16:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• Interestingly, I believe it was Lenin who created the Cheka; he considered the suppression of opposition a critical step in transferring Russia through totalinarianism-socialism-communism (utopia) - this being part of the socialist element. However, he did not wish to keep the Cheka active, and would likely have dissolved them had he lived a few years longer. Failing to do so might well have been one of his reasons for stating (albeit in different words) "for god's sake don't pick Stalin" in his Testament. Rob Church 00:16, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

• Cheka purposes ware not to matain Bolshevik as party on power, or only party, nor destroy any ideological opposition. That's manipulating historical events. It was just intended to defend people from that older people classes that had lost their old privileges and seeked any chance for sabotage, attack and counter-revolution, and I mean in violent totalitarian fashions, never in intellectual or ideological peaceful criticisement of revolution. SFSR was a good thing, from the perspective it supposed liberation and democratical power of worker class and peasants in an underdevelopped wild capitalist country domained by Tsar and burgeoise oligarchy, that lead to endless wars, to lack of ideologic freedom, to exploitation of workers and peasants, to poorness or unfair minoritary distribution of richness and development, education system unaccessible for poorer or humbler people, etc.; and SFSR supposed a conquest by majoritary and popular classes through assumption of auto-gestionary power and establishment of a new institutional system from the basis, democratically lead by soviets, with freedom of militation and ideas, and different political organizations (not only Bolseviks, though it just was the majoritary one for it got the one that represented ideas of most of politized workers that freely joined) of just all opposite, development, equal distribution of richness and land for who cultivated it, an extraordinary implementation and investion on educational system and libraries, made accessible for everybody, organisms of democratical organization and power of people, that were soviets, as a way of democratically acting on power, adoption of legal measures that meant progress, advance and more freedom for human relationships among citizens, like adoption of consensuated divorce, equalitary laws for women and men, and right and access to work and politics and public life to women, abolishment of anti-semitic laws, implementation of salaries, etc. Much of all was wasted and critically ended or transformed with access of Stalin to central power, and transformation of it on a fashion of burocratical totalitarian power, and all the subsequent ideological manipulation, derivation and propaganda for turning socialist ideas, purposes and furtherly institutions into totalitarian Estate, militarist, doctrinary, sectary and repressive ideas and purposes, using the name and rethoric of first to fake and achieve purposes or implications of second; he was a disordered and manipulative, very dangerous and smart guy seeking for power, and he got it, couriously coinciding with the merging of SFSR anti-imperialist socialist republic into imperialist burocratic and totalitarian sigle-partyist USSR (that was a process, but too of a sudden, suspiciously, that deserves to be analysed). Such a process obviously and dangerously had to include Cheka. Of course, the fact many people participating in SRSF Cheka's committees and democratical leadership were unprepared people, for such responsabilities, lead to some unfairnesses, and the fact some innoccent people unfairly payed, but this is one thing, and what is said in the article is other very different, that doesn't analyses context and causes in an objective, non-biased way. I'd like to seek for a less propagandist and biased, more objective and neutral article, more just with history. I'll soon start making my propositions in order to achieve, and support them with sources. signed DeepQuasar

[edit] how do you create a redirect?

if the name is supposed to be "vechecka" how do i make the link from "vechecka" to "checka"? shbut sluod folkintould it just be a piped link? the content of vechecka should be:

#redirect [[Cheka]]

But "vechecka" is not used IMO, unlike "vecheka".Mikkalai 03:03, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] date of 1922 redesignation/merge

I modified the date or renaming to GPU from Feb 8 to Feb 6 1922, which corresponds with articles GPU and chronology), and verifies against the MVD's official website: http://www.mvdinform.ru/index.php?docid=367 (in Russian) --Martyr 21:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

also supported on the FSB's website (also in russian)--Martyr 22:33, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Personally (I am a native russian speaker) I beleive the translation of the name is way too literal, to the point that it is even comic I think a much better sounding translation would be "The Special National comitee against counter-revolutionaries and saboutage", but of course a literal translation may be of more use to people 71.139.63.68 22:14, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube clip from the Russian film "Chekist"

I was going to add the link to the article, but thought I better post it here and see if it is appropriate. It contains nudity and brutal depictions of mass executions:

"Chekist" film clip

--C.J. Griffin 19:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New article for "Cheka" abbreviation ("may mean any one of these")?

As some of you may be aware, there were several other "extraordinary commissions" in existence during the Bolshevik era (notably Krupskaya's Extraordinary Commission for the Abolition of Illiteracy). Should a "Trivia" section be added to the main article to reflect this? Darth Sidious 01:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

See WP:Trivia. Trivia sections are discouraged. Maybe we could add this information directly into the text. S♦s♦e♦b♦a♦l♦l♦o♦s ^{(Merry Christmas!)} 01:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)