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Phelonion and Chasuble articles SHOULD be gathered in one. 1. If you don't, then you should write another article pilon for the Armenian one, and so on. In all iconography there is one chasuble: that you've called "modern", wore by the Anglican priest in the photo. 2. In most languages, you haven't, but one word for it. 3. Old Eastern rite books use "chasuble" also for Byzantine and Armenian rites. - Waelsch 20:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I can see where you're coming from, but I disagree. I've been writing little bits about Syriac and Coptic vestments and adding them to the articles under each vestment's Greek name. Although there are substantial differences between communities, there is a unity of eastern vestments and of western ones. The phelonion is quite different from the chasuble in style and cut: a difference that most probably extends back to first few centuries. The Syriac phayno is even more open at the front than the Byzantine phelonion. --Gareth Hughes 23:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ravenna mosaics

Hmm! What about this - it would appear to be a modern one, according to the article. Actually AD548. Johnbod 15:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

As the article already says, this was the original style; it evolved into the 'scapular' style for ease of use; then the older style returned in Roman Catholic churches after Vatican II (I'm not sure about other churches - I think that the Church of England had been using the older style for some time). That image might make a good addition to the article, though it would be nice if it focused more on the bechasubled chap. TSP 15:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

?!? Well it doesn't say that at all: "The chasuble originated as a sort of poncho, with a round hole in the middle through which to pass the head, falling to the feet on all sides. It had to be gathered up on the arms to allow the arms to be used freely." - when in fact the earlier one leaves the hands more free than the "modern" one illustrated, whilst still coming well over the shoulder, and failing to fall to the feet on any side.

There is a more straight-on image at Commons Cat Byzantine mosaics which could be cropped - plus there are other examples. But I think the origins bit needs a good going over. Johnbod 17:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article on a blog

What seems to be quite a good article on the history of the chasuble appears on the blog Rorate Caeli. I do not think it appropriate to quote a blog as a source for a Wikipedia article. Does anyone know whether this article, or something like it, appears in a more quotable form? Lima (talk) 10:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)