Talk:Charmed/Archive 8

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This archive covers the discussions begun between approximately September 2006 and December 2006.

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2006 September

Mistake

In a segment about charmed on this website, it mentions how the programme made a mistake. Chris says that his mother ( Piper) dies when he is a young teenager, this website then says how it was stupid that we saw the future e.g. final episode, and how piper was infact alive. The programme did not make a mistake, the charmed ones changed the futre when saving Wyatt, because Wyatt was saved it caused the future to change and so infact Piper nevr died, the programme did not make amistake86.41.146.251 13:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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Kaley Cuoco

Should Kaley Cuoco be listed as staring because she has only been in one season? There was some dispute if she should but she is listed in the title sequence so I think it deserves to be there. Think outside the box 13:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think only multiple season cast should count. No Andy, Billie, Chris, Dan or Jenny. Only Prue, Piper, Phoebe, Paige, Leo, Cole and Daryll.~ZytheTalk to me! 15:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree, only the recurring characters should be listed. Malevious
I disagree. I think that Dan's, Billie's and Chris's plots were substantial enough to warrant 'starring'. Afterall, the opening credits listed them as such. Syri 23:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Syri
Chris was in 4 seasons, he was in Oh my goddesss, All of Season 6, an episode in season 7 and Forever charmed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.130.95.3 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Very true; however, his season 5, 7 and 8 appearances lised him as "guest star". Season six listed him as "starring" 70.130.46.129 23:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Syri
Kaley Cuoco may have only been in one season, but the finale of the whole series was pretty much based on her turning evil! I think Billie pretty much made season 8! I think she should be listed as starring. P:S- unrelated, but I think s8 was a bit of a let down. Apart from the finale... WHICH WAS GREAT!!!! Bubble bunny
Billie was only in season 8, if Chirs, who was in 4seasons(even if some where just guest starring in one ep) doesn't get listed in no way should Billie get listed. Also, you personal opinion on Billie isn't a reason to list her. I personally think she sucked and should never have been brought in. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 13:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay! Now BREATH already!!! I wasn't talking about my personal opinion of Billie, I was talking about how alot of the Season 8 storylines revolved around her! Bubble bunny
Yes it did, just as previous seasons revolved around the source, the avatars and zankou but none of them are listed. Just because a single season revolved around her doesn't make her important. The source was in like 3 seasons or something and he killed off a charmed one but he doesnt get listed so why should billie when she couldn't even decide if she was good or evil. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 12:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow! I've just come back to this after eight months and it seems people have some very stong opinions on this. I had no idea it would be such a contentious point! Think outside the box 10:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

2006 October

Navigational Box

I created a more structured navigational box for the Charmed pages and wanted to get people's opinions on it before adding it to the Charmed articles. Is anyone in favor of using the new formatted navigation box? --> Template:Charmed_Navigation_Box

TJ 08:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I like it :)~ZytheTalk to me! 12:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
i think its too big Malevious 20:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Should we test it out to see how it will look in an article? Perhaps the main page? If it doesn't work it can always be removed later.TJ 06:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
All these tests should really have been carried out using your user space... god knows they're already trigger happy to delete templates. ~ZytheTalk to me! 15:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Ya these tests should've been done on your user space not all the charmed pages. i reverted a few of them but i aint got time to do them all someone plz help. you shouldn't go around and change everything because you like it. The old box was working just fine, this one is way too big and have too much useless info on it Malevious 01:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't a test. I think that it is pretty much complete, and wikipedia does encorage its users to be bold when editting a page. Besides there was only one objection to it, not an overwhelming amount of users who "don't like it".TJ 01:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
yet only one other user that did like it.we're doing perfectly fine with the one we have now. make a page on your user space that compares the 2 in an example article and why dont we vote on it? then its fair Malevious 01:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually two users like it. I am a user too and my opinion counts just as much as yours does. Why are you objecting to the navigation box when you do not have a clear valid reason for it not being used other than "the old one worked just fine"? And I don't understand how the new navigation box has useless information when it contains the exact same information as before, the only additions are character links to the main, supporting, and recurring characters. It seems like you're trying to dictate how things should be without giving a valid reason just because you think the new navigation box is "too big".
Seeing your edit I will do as advised and make a comparison.TJ 01:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
(god damn thats a lot) A lot of the characters that are in there are mentioned in the main article and dont need to have their link on every page. I do like some of the things you added to it, but a lot of it doesnt need to be put in it. Malevious 01:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
True, but those links lead to sub-pages with more in-depth information on the characters. The navigation box is used on all Charmed pages, users can quickly connect to the links in the navigation box no matter what Charmed page they are on for quick references. You said a lot of it doesn't need to be there, exactly what other things does the a lot include?TJ 02:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

-->Comparison Navigational Boxes <--

I used the Melinda Warren article to compare the two navigation boxes.TJ 02:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
one thing i dont think we need is the warren line witches. they're all in the characters page and such. I dont think we need a lot of the recurring or suporting characters.Chris Perry, Billie Jenkins, Andy Trudeau, all lasted 1 season and arent really need on the box. if you merge Supporting Characters: Leo Wyatt, Darryl Morris, Cole Turner and Recurring Characters: Victor Bennett, Close friends into one thing and got rid of the warren line, it would make it much smaller and look nicer. Also not realted to the differences, why is magic school listen as an item/artifact? and one more thing, we dont need the Evil beings link being listed twice. And another non-related to the difference, why are firestarters listed as neurtal? wouldnt they be just like regular witches, they can be swayed to both sides? Malevious 03:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Chris Perry appeared in three seasons of Charmed, he was a supporting character in one season and a guest star in two seasons. His reoccurring appearances throughout more than one season shows how important he is to the series. Andy Trudeau only appeared in one season, true, but he is referenced in at least two seasons all together (seasons one and two) if not more which shows his prominence despite his limited amount of appearance in the overall history of the show. Billie was involved in the final season and played an important role, along with her being billed in the opening credits. Her role is more pivotal than that of other former cast members not listed (Dan and Jenny Gordon). It would make sense to have her listed.
The Warren Line is a significant part of the series, each character listed there is either shown or mentioned throughout the seasons of the show. That is why only the prominent members of the Warren Line are mentioned instead of every single one. I'm not sure if you explained how the information is useless or unneeded.
As for the Supporting and Recurring Characters, I can see why recurring characters may not be so important. I'll edit the comparison with that section removed from the Navigation Box.
Magic School is listed under Items and Artifacts because it is an "artifact" per se, just as The Nexus is one. Both are locations but considered to be artifacts. Firestarters are listed under Neutral Characters because that is where they are listed in the original navigation box. Also Firestarters are not necessarily witches, they are mentioned to be mortals. Christy being a witch and a firestarter adds up to her being a very powerful witch.TJ 03:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Why is Chris listed as a suporting character then, when hes a warren witch? i agree that the warren witches are important but they dont need a link to their page on every charmed article.

Okay, I definitely prefer the old one. By your userspace I meant subpages btw, for instance User:Triple J/Melinda Warren test is yours to do what you want with. Since it's an old, finished show... it doesn't matter anyway. You should have created the template at User:Triple J/Charmed navigational box and then pasted the code over {{Charmed}} if someone decided it was superior.~ZytheTalk to me! 13:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

awards for charmed

i am new.. so i don't know how to edit the page properly... from this website, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158552/awards we can know the awards received by Charmed. i think it's nice to include this in the Charmed page thanks...

Template

I'd advise some of the editors who have worked to increase the quality of Charmed articles help to monitor {{Charmed}} and protect it from unncessary and frankly ugly additions of every character people can think of. Navigation templates are not lists of main characters and fan favourites. That's what the lists and the main article are for, which is why they are linked to by the template. ~ZytheTalk to me! 11:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

2006 November

Grandmama

Was there a character named Grandmama in Charmed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.175.138.202 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. At the end of the series finalé, Piper was called Grandmama by her granddaughter. This occurred while they were both sitting on a couch or chair, reading the Book of Shadows. -- Huntster T • @ • C 22:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Powers of Paige's Kids and Piper's Girl

Billie's parents were both born to a witch parent and a mortal parent but they had no powers. Doesn't this mean it is possible that Paige's kids and Piper's daughter have the possibility of having no powers at all? If so then shouldn't this be mentioned in their section? ~Silence_Knight

This isn't really an issue that needs to be included, given that we have zero proof either way. It would just be heresay. But to answer your question, it seems entirely possible that any child born to magical parents could have no powers, given that use of magic (and magical abilities) appears to be a genetic trait, or at least is partially influenced by genetics. -- Huntster T • @ • C 05:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

It is possible, but as far as anything is concerned, it seems like Paige, Wyatt, and Chris were the first in the Halliwell to be conceived with magical fathers. So, I do not think that it's possible if you're a Halliwell. RangerKing 23:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The Halliwells are very powerful but Billie's grandparents were probably quite weak —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.130.95.3 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

DVDs, music, and TV, oh my!

Obviously, Charmed has spawned a great many things in a great many places. To this end, I propose renaming Charmed broadcasters and DVD releases to Charmed multimedia, to be a one-stop shop for all external Charmed media. This will also get the soundtrack info OFF the main Charmed article, where it really doesn't need to be anyway. It's also a somewhat simpler article name to remember, and given that the terms 'DVD', 'broadcast' and 'television'/'TV' are sprinkled throughout the article, someone using search should have no problem finding the page either. Opinions? -- Huntster T • @ • C 12:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. And that way if somebody really wanted to write something about the horribly-uncanon novels as well, they'd have a place to do it that would keep that off the main page as well. --Maelwys 12:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Shh! Don't give anybody such ideas. I'm all for spreading knowledge to all humanity, but some information needs to be suppressed ;) In all seriousness, I'll try to start offline work on revamping the existing page soon. -- Huntster T • @ • C 16:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Very good idea. The people at WP:WHO have done a similar thing very well with their "Doctor Who spin-offs" article.~ZytheTalk to me! 01:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

2006 December

"Notable occurrences"

On the main character pages there is a section called "notable occurrences" which are all of poor quality, and the notability of said occurrences is significantly POV. Would it not be better to make a "transformations" section, listing everything from becoming (telepath, genius, goddess, genie etc.) with appropriate episode links and descriptions? :) ~ZytheTalk to me! 00:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with this. Give it a try and see what you can come up with. Anything would probably be better than what we have, though be careful because I don't think everything in the occurrences sections deal with transformations. Another title might work better. -- Huntster T • @ • C 01:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Is the RPG A Charmed World notable enough for a separate article? Should there be a mention of it here, or should it just be deleted? --Elonka 07:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow. This should absolutely be deleted as non-notable, fancruft and possibly advertising. It was created and has been edited almost entirely by a single person. I'm placing in AfD. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. -- Huntster T • @ • C 08:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. Thanks for the quick action, and I concur with the speedy-deletion.  :) --Elonka 20:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Melinda Halliwell IS Piper's Daughter

According to The Book of Shadows - Volume 2 the child we see with Piper and Leo at the end of Forever Charmed IS their daughter. Here's the excerpt: "The Charmed Ones reclaim Magic School, and Leo begins teaching again, a career he maintains until he retires. Piper sells P3 and opens a restaurant. Their daughter, Melinda, is born when Chris is three." This is officially licensed book that is published by Simon Spotlight Entertainment and is the "official companion to the hit show". The authors have been working closely with the cast and crew and therefore it isn't information based just on the show as we saw it.RangerKing 23:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you point to a website where this book is represented? I cannot find a copy on Amazon. -- Huntster T • @ • C 04:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Not sure, but they might have meant, The Book of Three, Volume 2. It claims to be volume 2 of the only authorized companion guide...so I'm guessing that's what RangerKing meant. --Onorem 10:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You can find it here: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Three-2-Charmed/dp/1416925309/sr=8-1/qid=1165529367/ref=sr_1_1/105-1298218-0663615?ie=UTF8&s=books. It doesn't claim and it is the only authorized companion other than the first volume. RangerKing 22:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't care whose Melinda is; old fight. But I DO wanna comment that unless the writers/producers of Charmed had some sort of involvement in the book, any information should be taken with a grain of salt. Personally, I don't feel that any information that wasn't shown in the show (like the fact that she was born when Chris was three) can really be taken as truth. A fan just tuning in would never know that. Syri 23:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Syri

The entire cast and crew were involved with the book as each episode has an interview with someone from the cast and crew. This includes Brad Kern.RangerKing 14:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because a book says it's authorized doesn't mean that it is part of canon. Look at Star Trek; there are hundreds of authorized novels and manuals and companions written, but the last I checked none of them were considered canon by Paramount. On the other hand, all authorized Star Wars books are considered canon by LucasFilm. Everything depends on what the producer/production company deems official, so until we know for certain, this book should not be used as a source, unless it is a quote from Kern or Burge (no, the actresses or other crew wouldn't count, since they aren't considered final authority figures). -- Huntster T • @ • C 14:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Brad Kern, Aaron Spelling, and E. Duke Vincent all "talk" about things regarding the show and various aspects of it. Infact here's the acknowledgments page. "E. Duke Vincent, Brad Kern, Jim Conway, Jon Pare, Jennifer Rees, Sheila Cavanaught and the entire cast and crew of Charmed for all their help in bringing this book together. Additonal thanks goes to everyone at Spelling Entertainment, CBS, Viacom....". There's even a special introduction and foreward written by Aaron Spelling and Brad Kern respectfully.RangerKing 03:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Most books do have such acknowledgements, doesn't mean the entire volume is canon. What I'm saying is that only those individuals in authoratative positions, such as Kern, Spelling, Vincent, etc, should have their quotes accepted as truth. With that in mind, do the forewords state that the book is canon or fully official? -- Huntster T • @ • C 19:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
personally, I don't think it can be canon if it was never in the show, the reference from which canon is taken. So while it may be pssible that Melinda, whosever she is, was born when Chris was three, someone watching the show would never know that. Thus, I don't think it could be canon. 75.27.230.48 20:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Syri

There is no foreward, the last part of the book is an interview with Brad Kern. Syri, canon goes a lot further than just seeing it on screen. Almost every series has a "bible" which discusses things that don't always make it to the screen.RangerKing 22:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Excessive family

I've noticed on the charactor pages, under "notable Family," that all family is listed. Is it really neccessary to list every family member, and how they're related? just seems a bit much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Syri (talk • contribs) 23:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

I absolutely agree; the question is who is considered notable for inclusion on any given page, and who isn't? -- Huntster T • @ • C 16:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd say it depends on each charector. The sisters should each list all thier sisters, and perhaps husbands. Piper and Leo should list thier childern, and Chris n Wyatt should list each other (since I still don't think Melinda should have an article). But I don't think the brothers should list every aunt and uncle, or the sisters, thier brothers-in-laws or nephews. I mean, Chris Wyatt (Leo's father) is even mentioned in some articles, which is completely unnesacary 70.130.46.129 23:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Syri

Unecessary?

I think there are a few articles for the Charmed section that are not needed, most especially Melinda. All disputes of identity aside, she really wasn't a substantial charector at all. The only reason she was even a big deal was the debate; fans made her a bigger deal than the 3 second scene in the show. A new fan, just watching, wouldn't give much notice to her charector, or even know her name. Also, her article contains little more than listing how she's related to everyone. As for the first Melinda, with whom she shares an article, she was only in one episode, and had a small role at that. Bianca played a larger part than her (not that Bianca should have an article either). I've already brought this point up in the Melinda talk section, but I thought I'd bring it up here. 70.130.46.129 23:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Syri

Notable family in Infoboxes

(This topic has been transplanted from Talk:Prue Halliwell as it has farther-reaching implications than just the single article. - Huntster 19:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

Interesting note I found in the infobox.

"Please note that under the Family section only those people count who Prue had known IN HER LIFE. She NEVER MET Coop, Henry and her sister's children and had no interaction with them, so THEY DO NOT COUNT AS NOTABLE FAMILY."

What kind of stupid rule is this? Following this logic, Paige should not be listed as her "notable family" since Prue never met or interacted with Paige, either. And since Prue did at least appear in the same episode as Piper's daughter, Melinda (Morality Bites), she should be listed. I'm just being my usual annoying self. I have no intention of changing anything. PatrickLMT 22:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

No, No, No. That stupid rule shouldn't apply. Would your children still be related to some one in your family who is dead? Of course they would. Just because they had no interaction, doesnt mean anything.--Dil 01:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree,i say we remove that rule and come up with a compact list of family members. (We don't need every child/grandchild) I think Piper Halliwell, Phoebe Halliwell, Paige Matthews, Victor Bennet, Patricia Halliwell, Penelope Halliwell, Leo Wyatt, Wyatt Halliwell, Chris Halliwell is a good list. having all the brother-in-laws and nieces/nephew is way too much. Wyatt and Chris played a big part in the series so they should be listed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of keeping things simple and compact, I would suggest only immediate family should be listed, with perhaps Grams being the exception for the sisters. Normally I wouldn't mind stuffing all sorts of information into an article, but the Infobox is supposed to be a concise list of data, and putting every mentioned relative seems completely overboard. -- Huntster T • @ • C 07:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense to me. I just don't think the rule "met or interacted with" makes any sense. That would axe Paige, and she's Prue's half-sister. You could also just make a small mentioning that she is the aunt of Paige's two children and Piper's three children, for instance, instead of listing each child individually. Regarding the list proposed by the unnamed commenter above, I would only add to that a comment like "other nieces and nephews, and in-laws," if for no other reason than to make it clear that the list is not complete. But I agree. That's a good list. PatrickLMT 11:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Aye. I'm also not keen on one-off relationships such as Zile... Here's two potential lists for Prue, the first one keeping in mind immediate family for brevity, the second adding that line you mentioned:
  • Sisters Piper Halliwell, Phoebe Halliwell and Paige Matthews (half-sister); Parents Victor Bennett and Patricia Halliwell; Grandmother Penelope Halliwell.
  • Sisters Piper Halliwell, Phoebe Halliwell and Paige Matthews; Parents Victor Bennett and Patricia Halliwell; Grandmother Penelope Halliwell; various other nieces, nephews and in-laws.
I particularly don't like this second method, because while it isn't difficult to add that last line, it is rather pointless if it only leaves the reader wondering "What other nieces and nephews and in-laws?" Rather than adding a potential point of confusion, simply omit that line and lets focus on the immediate relationships around that character. For Piper, her children and husband should be mentioned, but again, leave out those that aren't immediate. Phoebe should list Cole because he was a major player over several seasons, plus Coop and children, and Paige has Henry and her kids. See where I'm driving this? Focus on the individual, instead of the entire family. -- Huntster T • @ • C 13:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't Paige be listed as a "half-sister"? Apart from that, I don't really like the idea of leaving the list incomplete while implying by omission that it is complete, but I guess it would work. Perhaps a note in the text of the article. PatrickLMT 08:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I believe you are right. I've changed the first item above to reflect it. should it be after, or before, the name? Also, I don't believe that by omission the list would be considered complete. Anyone visiting another sister and seeing their children would know that they are related to the other family members. -- Huntster T • @ • C 19:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't care what sort of method is used to categorize the family, just as long as "notable family" doesn't keep turning into "Every dang family member ever to appear on this show or be mentioned" Less is more, and more appropriate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.27.230.48 (talk) 19:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

Alright, it's been discussed, but nothing has been done. One new thing I've found to be ridiculous is that on severl pages, the Notable Family lists every member, THEN says simply "etc". Um, there aren't any members left to make an "etc" If no one disagress, I'm going to slowly trim down the "notable family" to mainly include parents and siblings. Any obnjections? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Syri (talk • contribs) 12:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

None here. Included should only be immediate family: parents, siblings, and possibly children and spouses. I would have done this already, but real life issues have come up, and curtailed most of my editing here. -- Huntster T • @ • C 02:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Birthdates of the Charmed Family

Currently, I have been researching the family history of the Charmed Ones. I have gathered that the Season One episode Is there a Woogy in the House? refers to the Halliwell manor being bought by the Charmed Ones’ great-grandparents , P. Baxter and Gordon Johnson, in 1906. However, according to the error-filled family tree in Pardon my Past, P. Baxter was born in 1897. This means that when she was only 9 years old, she had married and was buying a house with her husband… I just wanted to ask permission before removing all birthdates of the “1920s Cousins” in List of Charmed family and friends as they seem to be one of what appears hundreds of errors which plague that family tree. (Examples include: placing ancestors in wrong generations (notably Melinda and Brianna Warren); adding male ancestors - Grams: “300 years […] not a male in the bunch”; claiming that Melinda Warren had two children; “Jack Halliwell” instead of Allen Halliwell; “Victor Jones” instead of Victor Bennett; “Prue” instead of Prudence; many more wrong birthdates; Patty being born when Grams was 13?; and so on…).

For those who wish to debunk the “not a male in the bunch” argument as being medically impossible, then simply consider how medically possible it is for Piper to have three children after doctors told her she would struggle to conceive the first time. Or how possible it is for Patty to have two daughters after she was told such an occurrence would be “medically impossible” (That 70’s Episode). Or, even for that matter, it is for demons and warlocks to run around and get blown up by four girls with magical powers. Therefore, I am convinced that the family tree is beyond a joke.

Additionally, if P. Baxter was born at an earlier date (for instance, 1877) it would mean that Grams could have been born in 1921 (as many fans has suspected as to be her true birth date, instead of 1931) which, in turn, means Patty was not born when Grams is 13 (1950).

Moreover, if Brianna Warren was the Charmed Ones great-x3-aunt, she would be Patty’s great-x2-aunt; Penny’s great-aunt and P.Baxter’s aunt. Therefore, this causes Brianna to be P.Baxter’s mother’s sister. Thus, there is all the chance that P.Baxter’s mother lived during the time of the Crimean War (1854-1856) because Brianna (her sister) fought during that particular war. Making P.Baxter’s birth closer to 1856 makes the entire family history seem more connected (even if there is the chance that Brianna time-travelled ). Also bear in mind that Brianna may have been the mother of either P.Bowen or P.Russell, so their births would also need to be pulled back.

Thank you for any time taken to read this or to reply.--Danny 21:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

OK I think it is best left as it is. The purpose of the article is to state what is given in the show, not to try and conform it to reality just because some of the writer's didn't bother to do their homework when researching storyline.--NeilEvans 22:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with NeilEvans, lets just leave it as is. we're not here to judge between whats logical and whats stated. Lots of things are said in the series that aren't right logically (hell if we get technical how many demons are running around??). --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Trying to settle on birth dates in this show is nearly impossible, what with writers altering ages and ignoring continuity constantly.--Gonzalo84 06:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)