Talk:Central, Hong Kong

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Hong Kong To-do: edit purge Clean up all MTR station pages. They are literally all over the place. Two model pages are Tsing Yi Station and Sheung Shui Station. They each describe a feature special to the station, Station layout, exit, and connections, as well as neighbouring stations and the station "box". We will also need plenty of updated pictures (e.g. removing all KCR-related images except those on the KCR article). Check that all pages have basically the same language structure as Tsing Yi Station and Sheung Shui Station. Links to location maps are good too. (Should also perform these checks on Chinese Wikipedia.) Clean-up pages that link with TVB, especially its series pages.

• Re Hlaw: (Moved from the list of areas. Added buildings. "Central" is used long before the Island line. Schools and some churches are at mid-level)

• Central was not common before the open of the MTR.
• Boundary between Central and the Mid-levels is not clear. Some regards some parts but not all of Mid-levels as part of Central.

• Central District or in short, Central was used long before the opening of island line in mid 1980s. I know that some nonofficial maps used the direct translation "Chung Wan" previously, but it is not widely used in reality. While it is difficult to specifically search for documents in those days which predate the internet, you may check e.g. from old bus route tables before mid-80s (Central terminus / Central (Jubilee Street) / Central (Macau Ferry)), old gazettes, etc that Central/Central District is popularly used much earlier. (Try to find usage of the term "Chung Wan" for comparison). Logically, if the term "Chung Wan" is widely used before there is no reason for MTR to rename its station to "Central" instead.

• The article clearly indicates that it is talking about the business center portion of Central. In any case a "see also" section to Mid-level is sufficient. Editorially it seems pointless to duplicate the list of churches etc in two (and three if you include the C&W district) mutually inclusive articles. In the long term the structure of articles decribing districts and areas in HK should be reworked. -Hlaw 17:29, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Maps (official and non-official ones) dated back in the 1910s and 1920s (I don't know for the older ones) uses Choong Wan or Chung Wan. (In those days Des Voeux Road was marked as Des Vœux, anywayz, irrelevant.) It was marked in this way until the 1980s. As far as I remember even in early 1990s, some minibuses with destinations to 中環 were still using "Chung Wan" on their signs above the windshield.

• Originally MTR named the connected stations as Charter (Modified Initial System, 修正早期系統) and Peddar (Island Line) at the very beginning. The names of the connected stations were changed into Central when the Island Line was in use.

• Including some of the buildings in the Mid-levels is for the convenient of readers. Editorially there's nothing wrong and absolutely alright to duplicate for the sake of convenience of readers. Afterall the boundaries are not clearly defined, and the perception of the boundaries can be varied and overlapping, or even one is a subset of another. As long as it is convenience for readers I think it would be alright. What about adding a paragraph saying that the boundaries are unclear? Rewriting is rather meaningless I would say. -- 21:23, December 7, 2004 (UTC)

• In fact the term "Chung Wan" is still the name of the District Council constituency today. But my point is that the use of "Chung Wan" had never remotely been popular, other than to indicate Chinese transliteration. The terms "Central District" / "Central" were, and are, much more prevalent over "Chung Wan". (Although in earlier days a reference to Queens Road C and Pedder Street, for example, should be enough, as all streets there were well known). You edits seem to suggest that Chung Wan is the original term, and the term "Central" suddenly become prevalent only as recent as the mid-80s. Both of these are not accurate.

• If you are not convinced, try to search a newspaper archive [1] for "Central District" and "Chung Wan" respectively, for newspaper clippings from 1970 to 1985. "Chung Wan" turns up 6 times (and at least half of which refer to the DC constituency, one is a person's name). "Central District" - 171 times.

• Putting a link to a more proper article only makes it one click away and would not cause much inconvinence. On the other hand making overlapping districts, especially in such case where common usage (of Central) and descriptions (of CBD) do not apply to a substantial part (mid-levels), is confusing, making the pages harder for maintenance (which is essential for such a collaboration project), appearing inconsistent with each others (so where is this building located?), and tend to make the articles longer and less readable and less easy to locate the desired info. I don't think making a set of articles more structured, readable, and consistent etc (by moving information around) meaningless. This is what lots of wikipedians are doing. -Hlaw 04:07, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Have you ever checked the maps dated back into the establishment of the crown colony until the 1920s? "Central" never found, but "Choong Wan" or "Chung Wan".
• "Central district", to my understanding, was a general term referring to a downtown or a CBD, until relatively recently, when Central becomes a proper reference as the name of the place. A substantial proportion of Sheung Wan, notably east of the North Block of the Western Market, where many office buildings are located, are also considered part of the "Central district" since 1980s as far as I know.
• We've gotta look for older references and see the boundary of Choong Wan, as one of the wans, and see the extend of it.
• I agree links are just clicks on the fingertip. Nevertheless the perception of the boundaries are never defined. We have little ground and basis to draw the boundaries and tell which buildings are in which areas. It's absolutely a good thing to make the articles more structured and readable, when and only when we have the ground to do so. -- 07:21, December 8, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Restaurants

206.116.124.148 was me. I reverted the entire Restaurants section because it was advertisement for someone's restaurant in Central, complete with phone number and all. Carson.Talk 04:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)