Talk:Censorship in Cuba

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This is a one-side political rant - might first instinct was to delete, but it might be salvagable jimfbleak 13:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's got major POV issues. The proper solution is to fix them (or list it on cleanup)...not to delete and protect it. Kurt Weber 23:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate the support! I would appreciate help with the article as well (hint, hint.) KillerChihuahua?!? 00:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] fiber optic cables are not available

Absurd.Xx236 15:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is a one-side political rant

This statement is very interesting. It happens that the same system controls Cuba since 50 years. Try to write about right wing censorship in contemporary Cuba to make the article unbiased. Xx236 14:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Untruths

There are alot of untruths in this article; especially about internet usage. I can't be arsed to write alot in the article, but here is a source for anyone willing to put in the time: http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?218

From the article:

Even sources hostile to the Cuba revolution concede that there is no internet censorship in Cuba. CNN admitted as much in an April 11, 2000 article (“Cuba’s internet elite emerges,” CNN.com), writing “granted, the government does not censor, filter or -- it appears -- survey [internet] traffic.”

24.131.225.162 11:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It's interesting why Cuban people having free access don't participate in this discussion? A week in Cuban prison would help you.Xx236 12:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Editors in Cuba have already edited this page (see), and they edit wikipedia, participating in discussions all the time - to the extent that Jimbo Wales is planning a visit to Cuba to meet Cuban wikipedians [1]. Compared to Haiti or Jamaica, editors in Cuba are fairly well represented on the English wikipedia, one of the most prolific editors on Cuban subjects edits from Havana on a regular basis. And on the Spanish wikipedia they are common. I don't think your comments to the anonymous editor are helpful, productive or accurate.-- Zleitzen(talk) 19:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


With all due respect to Jimbo Wales - I hope that he understands the diference between independent and staged. 99% people in the West don't. Xx236 07:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I hope that Jimbo Wales distributes a number of Spanish Wikipedia CDs among independent librarians in Cuba.Xx236 07:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable Sources

"The internet provides Cuba with much-needed access to the world, but it is also a source of poisonous counter-revolutionary propaganda and cultural pollution, and it offers a dangerous potential for corruption. It therefore remains a very controversial medium in Cuba, and for good reason." claimed blythe.org in 2000 [2]

I have removed this insertion because it is an opinion that I believe does not come from a reliable source and hence doesn't meet WP:RS.-- Zleitzen(talk) 19:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the fiber cables story, because it's propaganda.Xx236 07:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The story comes from the International Business Times. Removal of relevant material taken from reliable sources is not advisable, and will not be deemed acceptable here.-- Zleitzen(talk) 07:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removed Radio Marti - it is actually illegal to broadcast Radio Marti even in the U.S. due to propaganda laws, let alone Cuba

The Radio Marti article odesn't conform it's illegal in the USAXx236 07:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

http://www.citizensforethics.org/taxonomy/term/835. See also

Though the Marti channels are broadcast to Cuba but their programmes cannot be transmitted in the US under anti-propaganda laws.

which can be found in this BBC report. -- Zleitzen(talk) 07:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Jamming a radiostation is a censorship and obviously in Cuba almost everything is illegal. The Nuremberg Laws were legal in Germany but breaking it was morally O.K..Xx236 08:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

This Wikipedia doesn't inform about any propaganda laws.Xx236 09:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

April 1990 - Cuba begins to jam Radio Marti - what the statement false in 1990?Xx236 09:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't fully understand what you are writing as your English seems unclear, but just to confirm the point, it is illegal to broadcast Radio Marti in Cuba, and it is illegal to broadcast Radio Marti in the United States. That is because in the United States, even though the U.S. government sponsor the station, Radio Marti is deemed U.S. government sponsored propaganda. Therefore, Cuba are merely complying with laws that exist in virtually every country in the world and jamming the broadcasts of confirmed propaganda from an external enemy government designed to create instability in Cuba itself. That is not the same as censorship within Cuba. Though other wikipedia articles should not be referenced, our article now states that Radio Marti cannot be transmitted in the US under anti-propaganda laws anyway. Using a reliable source - the BBC. Is that clear now?-- Zleitzen(talk) 09:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that my English is unclear. I wasn't allowed to learn English in a Communist country, which was legal, noone has an inborn right to learn English, but I don't like people who support terror and censorship since that time.

It's irrelevant if it is illegal to broadcast Radio Marti in Cuba, and it is illegal to broadcast Radio Marti in the United States, because we are discussing April 1990. Was it illegal in April 1990? Is jamming of illegal broadcasts a lesser censorship? I used to listen to hated by many Free Europe, finaced by the CIA, and it was the best source of informations in many countries. I didn't care if it was legal or not. Not every law is good for people and people from free and rich countries don't have any idea about the ouside world. Cuba and laws, really. Xx236 14:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

It is illegal to broadcast Radio Marti in the United States. It was illegal in 1987, 1997 and is illegal in 2007. That is because it is considered state propaganda designed to misinform by the U.S. government itself.[3] Journalists who have worked on Radio Marti have been fired from other journalism posts in Florida due to this.[4] Cuba censors media within Cuba to a high degree. But banning Radio Marti is not considered "censorship". It is an act in accordance with even the most liberal democracies.-- Zleitzen(talk) 15:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Cuba isn't based on law. A small group of people decide what is legal there. Banning Radio MArti is a censorship for people who want to hear the news. designed to create instability in Cuba - please don't use Communist language toward a victim of Communism, beacause it's uncivil. Xx236 08:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It is illegal to broadcast Radio Marti in the United States. Why? Because it does not comply with U.S. anti-propaganda laws. So far, virtually all your statements about Cuba have been proven false. You appear to be arguing from some kind of general anti-communist position that has little or nothing to do with Cuba, and have nothing to do with editing a neutral, accurate encyclopedia for readers. If you think that I've been uncivil, take it up with the dispute process, or call an administrator.-- Zleitzen(talk) 11:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Censorship is a censorship - legal or "illegal". The idea of totalitarian censorship is that a small group of people controls informations and even the language. The idea of totalitarian law is that a small group defines what is legal. Constitutional laws aren't respected. The whole law system is degenerated. Some people believe it's O.K. - Cuba is allegedly a kind of Eden, who cares about informations in Eden? Why to grow the apple tree of knowledge there? It's interesting that only few people move to the Eden, apply for Cuban citizenship and live like Cubans do. Visiting Cuba with a passport and USD or Euro is like visiting a safari park. Try to be an impala.Xx236 11:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

BTW - Auschwitz was partially legal and its commander was finally hanged there. Xx236 09:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)