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Contents 1 January 14, 2007 archive start 1.1 Henry Doorly Zoo 1.2 WikiProject? 1.3 Fair use images in lists 1.4 WikiProject Zoo 1.5 Request to peer review Prospect Park Zoo 2 January 14, 2007 archive end

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[edit] Henry Doorly Zoo

I'm side tracked with my efforts on another article I am working on, off and on and with my typical tunnel vision, I'm not able to make much effort on the zoo article. I'll keep it watchlisted and do what I can to get it to FA.--MONGO 06:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, I'm just seeking ideas on how to improve it as it would seem to be the first zoo article anywhere near an FA. Cburnett 06:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I've been working on Red Deer, and if you check there, every footnote links to the bottom of the article and the appropriate reference. I used the Harvard style referencing when I wrote (well, of course with the enormous help of others), the article titled Retreat of glaciers since 1850. Before it becomes an FA, we'll need to make text of the lists and standardize all the refs. A general expansion of some areas is also needed...but the article can be an FA, and the zoo certainly deserves it.--MONGO 07:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject?

Hey there, I noticed your edits to Phoenix Zoo and Reid Park Zoo. I have been thinking for a while about starting a Zoo WikiProject, whose goal would be to maintain and improve all zoo articles. What do you think? --Aguerriero (talk) 22:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

For starters, I've been putting Template:Infobox zoo on all the AZA zoos (List of AZA member zoos and aquariums) that have WP articles. I have the Henry Doorly Zoo under peer review (Wikipedia:Peer review/Henry Doorly Zoo/archive1) and I noticed before doing so that there really is no standard to zoo articles nor are there any really good articles to go from.

Instead of zoos specificially I'd propose to include aquariums ("fish zoos") and aviaries ("bird zoos") as well, but a zoo wikiproject could encompass them as well since most zoos have aquariums and aviaries.

I think a project is definitely in order to form some consistency because I found some contention on Minnesota Zoo as too "travel guide"ish (it's been drastically cut down today so see history for what it was earlier). Cburnett 22:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

You have been doing terrific and needed work, that is certain. When I arrived at Phoenix Zoo it was a one-sentence stub; now it is a GA. Reid Park Zoo didn't even exist. I agree that a potential project should include aquariums and aviaries - I can think of a number of those as well. If we make a WikiProject, we can define standards, make the infobox template standard, etc. I have had experience creating a WikiProject - perhaps I should post to the list of proposed projects and see if there is any other interest? --Aguerriero (talk) 00:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. There's also plenty of articles to create. One project idea I'd like to add is to rally people near a zoo to talk a picture of the entrance to go in the infobox... Cburnett 00:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

FYI, I added the Zoo idea to the list of proposed projects. You can add your name if interested. --Aguerriero (talk) 17:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use images in lists

Hello, I see you have contributed your thoughts to Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. It's been dead for a while, but I have archived it and taken a new fresh start. I hope this time we will be able to achieve something as I have summarized the main points of both sides (feel free to improve them) and I call you to express your support or oppose on the concrete proposal that I have formulated. Thanks, Renata 02:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Zoo

Hey there, I asked you sometime back (I am formerly the user Aguerriero) if you would be interested in a WikiProject for zoos, aquaria, and aviaries. There was not much interest at the Proposal page but I decided to create it anyway, figuring more members could be recruiting by placing project banners, etc. The in-work page is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Zoo if you want to check it out. Still have a lot of work to do, in particular fleshing out the article content guidelines. I have already made most of the templates, subpages, and navigational elements. And of course, you have already made the infobox. I was thinking - do you think it would be desirable to add a "color" parameter to the infobox to signify Zoo, Aquarium, or Aviary? Similar to how {{Album_infobox}} has different colors to indicate the type of album. Let me know what you think. --Ars Scriptor 21:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Great, I'll have to look more into it when I get home. I have no objections to the color but I don't know how much of a real need there is; compared with albums there are a dozen album types but only three here. Cburnett 22:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, good point. As long as the right info is in there, it doesn't matter. Do you like the {{Zoos}} template? Maybe there should be one for aquaria and aviaries? I was thinking of how to work that template into the article guidelines section. --Ars Scriptor 18:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

How about retitling the box with "Zoos, Aquaria, & Aviaries" then there's only one template to deal with. Like the colors, I have no objection but I don't think the need is there provided {{Zoos}} is modified to explicitly include them.

On a parallel thought, what about museums in general? I'm of the camp that a zoo/aquarium/aviary is a type of museum, albiet of living specimens. Perhaps a long-term goal is to get the zoo wikiproject going then start a parent project of museums (timeline depending on, obviously, participation and desire of others). Cburnett 19:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a terrific idea, and definitely an area that's not being covered very well right now. I have started to look at the Zoos template - I think it could use some additions and reorganization to provide common links for aquaria and aviaries as well. --Ars Scriptor 22:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request to peer review Prospect Park Zoo

Hi Cburnett. I've entered this article into the peer review process, as a first step in obtaining good article rating for it. Might you find time to look it over? As a participant in WP:ZOO, I imagine you would have pointers so that this article could better support this project. Wikipedia:Peer review/Prospect Park Zoo/archive1. Thanks in advance! Gosgood 19:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw your your comments on the review page and would like to thank you on your quick and comprehensive follow-up. You and other members of the Zoo project have given us a pretty good TODO list. Thanks! Gosgood 01:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) Cburnett 01:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I've done a draft, and after letting in bake a bit in my sandbox, I've merged it to the main article., incorporating (I think) comments you, and other people have made. If you have a moment to look (and comment (and edit)), I'd much appreciate it. After the dust settles a bit, I want to put it up for GA or FA review. Thanks! Gosgood 18:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Saw that you gave the article a very nice editorial pass. Thank you for your help and thank you for your kind word on the review page. Take care! Gosgood 22:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Cburnett 22:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

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