Talk:Caucasus Emirate

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[edit] Flag of the Emirate

Is this the flag of the Caucasus Emirate? http://generalvekalat.org/images/mail.jpg From: http://generalvekalat.org/

If this is their flag then we should update some of the combatant flags.

[[1]] Abdul Halim also had this flag. Was it used for the Caucasian front? If so this flag should have been used instead of the Jihad flag for the caucasian front - PietervHuis 02:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The Chechen resistance uses many different flags and it is not always clear what element of the resistence any particular flag represents. The flag in the background of the photograph of Sadulayev gained popularity after the demise of Aslan Maskhadov, who favored the flag with the Chechen coat of arms adopted by Dudayev. This flag was abandoned by Sadulayev because the depiction of an animal (the wolf in the emblem) is in conflict with Muslim tradition, hence the new flag with the taqbir underscored by a saif. Whether or not there is a proper flag for the Caucasian Emirate is uncertain at the moment. Although Kavkazcenter seems to be using[2] the one that was supposed to have been the flag of the Chechnya-Dagestan Emirate after Khattab's and Basayev's invasion in 1999.[3]

ForrestSjap (talk) 11:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for clearing that up. Do you know what rebels fighting for the caucasian front (not from chechnya) used for flags? Currently on the main page the caucasian front is simply depicted by a Jihadi flag, same as the mujahideen. I'm wondering if I can replace it with something else. - PietervHuis 15:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The flag of Jihad is probably the best option at the moment. It has been widely used by Caucasian rebels and I don't think that any other flag would fit in the article about the Caucasian front until it becomes clear what the official flag of the Caucasian Emirate is going to be. This flag will probably be adopted by the Caucasian Front as well since it will now undoubtedly become the military branch of the Emirate. If it turns out to be this one[4] we can just ask the creators of FOTW if we can use it in an article. If it turns out to be another one we can ask them to make a digital version of it. I think most of the flags on Wikipedia have been created by them. Kom je trouwens uit Nederland toevallig?ForrestSjap (talk) 19:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Bedankt. Ja dus :) - PietervHuis 20:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Russia.htm This site also has the flag in question listed as the one for the caucasus emirate. If it becomes official, we should give umarov this flag. - PietervHuis (talk) 03:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to give Umarov that flag anyway. The CHRI flag doesnt fit him anymore, and the Jihad flag is too broad. http://generalvekalat.org/ is said to be the official site of the emirate and it uses the flag.

They made a hq version recently, http://imgs2.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2008/02/01/55960_1.jpg We can used it till anything else is known. - PietervHuis (talk) 00:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

you know what, if you want I will create a PD version --TheFEARgod (Ч) 10:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That would be cool, it would be best to try and mirror the flag that was always behind Sadulayev. I normally can do it myself too I think, but my computer is broken and I don't have the proper software atm. - PietervHuis (talk) 12:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the flag.

I don't think your image map is accurate though. Stavropol Krai shouldn't be included, and Adygea should. That's what I remember. I think it should be these states: [5] - PietervHuis (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I used the info on the Russian Wiki. If you can, however, confirm that with another source, I'll alter the map.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[6] Hmm it doesn't include Adygea to my surprise. But it doesn't include stavoprol Krai either. It does include the "nogay steppe". What's that? Umarov said "I don't think that it is necessary to draw the borders of the Caucasus Emirate." so even though this steppe might lie in Stavoprol Krai that doesn't mean he claimed entire stavoprol krai.

As you can see, [[7]] I would only include the the are where Nogays and Chechens live in Stavoprol Krai. - PietervHuis (talk) 17:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

thx for the source, I fixed it. As for Adygea, the ethnic map says it is predominantly Slavic-Russian, so probably no Islamic interest --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I updated the flag, matched colors with the original, and sharpened the logo a little, hope you dont mind. - PietervHuis (talk) 17:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, it doesn't seem the Cherkess area of Karachay-Cherkessia is part of it either [8]. I don't think there are official boundiries but it would be best to limit that republic to the Karachay's following the same ethnic composition map [9]. I'll see if I can do it myself. - PietervHuis (talk) 19:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

It also seems the "Nogay Steppe" is simply a plain in Dagestan [10] - PietervHuis (talk) 19:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)