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[edit] Iberia

Does anyone know the origin of the name "IBERIA" as it pertains to Georgia?

There are several, and often contradictory, arguments regarding the origin of the name as it pertains to SPAIN. I wondered if I could find some linguistic link that would bind the two, however apart geographically, but in the case of the Georgian "Iberia" - I'm drawing a blank, online. All I find is information that Georgia was so called in antiquity, but not WHY. (unsigned comment added by 67.0.114.28)

"There are several, and often contradictory, arguments regarding the origin of the name as it pertains to SPAIN."
HISPANIA... Lusitano Transmontano 07:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It strikes me a lot. Still more, since I remember reading somewhere that the basque language has been linked to Georgia too. I wish the link can be clarified. --euyyn 22:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

From Iberian Peninsula: "The Greeks are responsible for the name Iberia, after the river Iber (Ebro)." --euyyn 22:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

And from Basque language: "Georgian: The Georgian hypothesis, linking Basque to South Caucasian or Kartvelian languages, seems now widely discredited." Ooooohhhh, he he --euyyn 10:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Its not true Basque connection with Caucasus still has tons of evidence and research is initiated long time ago. Its not discredited. Euskera 14:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Good news: [1] to be taken with a wagonload of salt (of the earth)--87.162.27.103 (talk) 11:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Amazasp

QUOTE: "Relations between the two countries seem to have been friendly at first, as Iberia cooperated in Persian campaigns against Rome, and the Iberian king Amazasp II (185-189) was listed as a high dignitary of the Sassanian realm, not a vassal who had been subdued by force of arms."

How could Amazasp been listed as a dignitary of the Sassanian realm, when Persia was still a vassal of Parthia? Perhaps Amazasp was confused with another, later king, maybe Amazasp III?

ro4444, August 8, 2005 3:31 PM EST

Thanks ro4444 for your remark. It was really Amazasp III who reigned in the 260s. Kober

[edit] Image removed

I've removed this image because:

I took an image of the piece myself, which is at Commons. --Zaqarbal 18:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you have sources for that claim? Ldingley 15:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name

"Iberian" peninsula comes from the name of the Iber (Ebro) river, and the name of the river is obviously from Basque ibai, ibarra "river, river valley". No connection at all, unless the Caucasin Iberia happened to be named after a similar word for 'river', which is obviously not the case.

Also, most speculation and purported similarities between Basque and Caucasian languages focused on Northeast (Nakh-Dagestanian) languages; Kartvelian, which is forms another language family, is not considered as similar.KelilanK 20:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Bold text origini of name? IBERIA I would rather start from the farthest end..:) when did the Celts or Cimmerians begin migrating into Europe? And from where did they come? Today’s Celtic survivors (very few among whom are Irish and Scotts) have VERY close ties with Ibers! Considering the fact that thy were know as the Celtiberri or Celtiberians it becomes more interesting..The origin of the name (if only the name?) of Irland. Eire-land ("Eire" being what the Irish call it) came from "Erin." The Romans called it Hibernia or Ivernia. It sometimes appears as Iberon. (Georgian Kingdoms were known to the Greeks as Iberia or Iveria) The late Harvard professor Barry Fell wrote, "One of the ancient names of Ireland is Ibheriu, pronounced as Iveriu, a fact that suggests that the word is derived from a still-earlier pronunciation, Iberiu. Talking about Scotland we should mention an ancient kingdom of Alba that corresponds to today’s Scotland. It is argued that Alba derives its name from the Caucasian Albania! (At least many scholars argue this but more work needs to be done to shed any light on the subject). Before assimilation and fall under Urartu Kingdom, Caucassian Albania was a home for Ibero-Caucassian people. Their migration might’ve taken place in early 1st millennia BC. According to Strabo (btw who’s mother was Georgians!:) by the 1st century there were no ‘real’ Albanians left in the region. They were assimilated by Armenians, Medes, etc.

Etruscans (Italics) before the Romans assimilation were also Iberian. Many sources directly call Italic people as Iberian. Many Etruscan language although officially labeled as ‘isolate’ has too many similarities with Iberian (considering the fact that we know so little about both of them.. ) but Basque is also a language isolate – so linguists do have to work harder to figure these all out. (k, here is the place for a little Georgian pride:)))) Kartvelian (Georgian) language with it’s 3 dialects (actually independent Georgian languages) form ALONE a linguistic SUPER FAMILY according to majority of linguists. There are no disputes whatsoever about placing Georgian language in the ethnologue classification on the higher level than Indo-European family!!)

Talking about the origin of the name for Georgian Iberia- 'Hecataeus, Herodotus, Xenophon, Strabo and others, the tribe of the Tibareni (Tibarenoi in Greek) lived in the north of the territory of Tabal. Tabal, Tubal, Jabal and Jubal to be ancient Georgian tribal designations. Many authors, following the Romanized Jewish author Josephus (1st century AD), related the name Tubal to Iber. “Concerning the question of the ethnic affinity of the population of Tubal, Josephus wrote: "Tobal gave rise to the Thobeles, who are now called Iberes". This version was repeated by Patriarch Eustathius of Antioch, Bishop Theodoret, and others.”

Now about my dearest brothers Vascones!!!!! They too trace their ancestry back to Tubal, son of Japheth. And that is the origin of their name, NOT from the river Ebro, which in it’s case was named by Romans after the people that inhabited Iberian peninsula, NOT the other way around!!!!!! The problem with proving the Georgian-Basque connection is due to the lack of the competent bilingual linguists fluent in these two languages. Actually the latest linguistic works show the closest connection b/n Svan (mountainous part of Georgia) and Basque languages. Not as it was previously mistakenly compared to all the Caucasian languages, combining North and South Caucasus!! But besides the linguistic connections there are doubtless cultural-ethnic analogy between these two Pre-Indo-European groups. I will post another time pictures of old Basque houses and Chan/ Laz housings that they still build as our forefathers had. They are identical!!! And I always knew that this was so unique to Georgian culture..glad there are people out there who preserved the same customs!! On the burial stones of the Vascones – they were using the same geometrical symbols as us! Finally, EUSKAL HERRIA & KARTULI HERI simply has to have common roots because we look like twin brothers:)))))))) Compare the Caucasian scull (so highly praised by the founder of anthropology Blumenbach) with renowned Basque distinctive appearance…

t.u. for reading this. zgarbi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.212.108.243 (talk) 03:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Euskera Thanks, it was a very interesting reading. Goiko etxea defenditiko dut. p.s please register and join us here at wiki. Iberieli (talk) 02:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)