Talk:Catherine Parr
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hi is any one out there studying cathrine parr.. or have you got some intresting facts about her ? im so intested in her what do you want?
| The Six Wives of King Henry VIII |
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she out lived henry
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[edit] Caption rewrite?
The caption to the first picture in the article reads, "The dignified Catherine Parr, the last of King Henry VIII's wives, was married more than any other queen, four times. Her marriage to Henry was her third. She died as a result of giving birth to her first child in her mid-30s." (I've put the picture and caption here, too, at left.) Does all of that information really belong there, or can it go elsewhere in favor of a short-and-sweet caption? At the very least, it could be rewritten for clarity. — AnnaKucsma (Talk to me!) 15:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Agree - I've cut that down. -- Beardo 05:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Daughter
"Her only child, a daughter, Mary Seymour, born 30 August, appears not to have long survived her mother. Her father, Thomas Seymour, was executed before she was a year old, and she was taken to live with Catherine Willoughby, dowager Duchess of Suffolk, a close friend of Catherine Parr. While little is known of her life thereafter, it is believed that she went on to have several children who eventually settled in the United States (then the colonies)."
Not long survived ? Or grew up to have several children ? -- Beardo 05:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that everything you quoted is accurate until "While little in known of her life thereafter" — but the rest of that section is kinda suspicious. Yes, this is around the time people started going to the Colonies. But this is the first time I've come across the suggestion that Mary Seymour was among those who did. — AnnaKucsma (Talk to me!) 20:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- While I agree with the possibility of her daughter reaching adulthood and marrying (it's been said by a biographer of Katherine Parr that she married into the Bushey family who lived in the North of England) but as to her children emigrating to The Colonies?!No,I don't believe that story.Maybe one child,but all her children?!It's just another case of wishful thinking on the part of people who desparately seek "royal" ancestors.Sorry.jeanne (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Who the ***** is Catherine Parr??
Sorry, as a 50 year old Englishman, I have never heard of "Catherine Parr". Henry VIII married Katherine Parr. The portrait, and all the external pages cited all call her Katherine, with a K. Where does this incorrect spelling come from?? When I get an hour or so!! I will correct this, and "'enery's" pages.--Bilbo B 15:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have now reverted all your changes. If the spelling with K is the correct one then this article here must move first. And youe will need to get consensus for it. FWIW the Times just last week in a listing of Kings & Queens of Britain used "Catherine" and from a google search it seems the more common variant. Agathoclea 11:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- But since there obviouly are different spellings used even in the sources for the article some more input is required. Agathoclea 12:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- The alternative spelling was removed by an IP some time ago[1] Agathoclea 12:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Since there were no 'official' spellings of names in the 16th century, normal variants are all as correct as one another. It really doesn't make much difference if we spell Catherine with a 'C' or a 'K' here. She sometimes signed as 'Kateryn.' David Starkey has her as 'Catherine.' Pvc.mermaid 22:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)PVC Mermaid
- The alternative spelling was removed by an IP some time ago[1] Agathoclea 12:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- But since there obviouly are different spellings used even in the sources for the article some more input is required. Agathoclea 12:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
In Alison Weir's novel, The Six Wives of Henry VIII, it stated that Parr's name was spelled with a 'K'. Weir must have done alot of research to find if her name was spelled with a K or C and I personally believe that it is spelled with a K. Also, in the backround of the portrait it spells it with a K.
- Well, yes, as the editor before you stated, she spelt her name 'Kateryn'. But a) there is no longer such a spelling, and b) spellings were not standardised in that time either. It is simpler to go with the most commonly used spelling for her name - which, as was also pointed out above, is Catherine, not Katherine. Michaelsanders 17:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
There does not seem to be a way to change the title page! (Everyone is talking about how wrong the spelling is, & no one has changed it, so I tried to do so - and failed). How is this done??FlaviaR 17:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
So, let me get this right: the woman in question spelled her name "Kateryn," as confirmed by an examination of various documents that she herself wrote. But because there is "no longer such a spelling" (whatever that really means), "it is simpler to go with the most commonly used spelling of her name"? And even then, a variant spelling wins out over a less common but still "legitimate" spelling? When did clearly documented history become mutable by modern consensus? And what gives us the right to re-spell a person's name solely for the sake of our own lazy convenience, it being too "difficult" to wrap our narrow minds around the idea that personal names are exactly that: personal ... individual, and thus subject to personal whims of spelling. I have to wonder how all those people out there with unconventional names and non-traditional spellings of names would feel if we informed them all that "we" would no longer recognize as legitimate their unusual or unusually spelled names? The idea is absurd. Long live KATERYN Parr! PhD Historian 21:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Queen Consort
I changed "Queen Consort" to "Royal Consort" in the succession box. Although Guildford Dudley did succeed her as Royal Consort (if you hold that Jane was a legitimate queen - I don't know enough about it to have an opinion), he didn't succeed her as Queen Consort. Also, most succession boxes do say "Royal Consort" and not "Queen Consort". It seemed more accurate vis a vis Guildford Dudley and it follows precedent. --Charlene 05:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't believe most consort boxes do say royal consort. Nor is it a title which was ever used - has anyone ever described Catherine Parr as 'royal consort'? Michael Sanders 12:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Three out of the four I checked did. And the point is, nobody ever called Guildford Queen consort, so he didn't succeed her as queen consort. --Charlene 03:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Catherine??
I thought it was Katheryn
- I haven't seen that for Catherine Parr. The only two versions I've seen are Catherine and Katherine. — AnnaKucsma (Talk to me!) 15:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The full-length picture
I think we can, by now, safely change this to simply "Katherine Parr" - but I would like some agreement before I just go do it.FlaviaR 17:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

