Talk:Cathedral of Chartres

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[edit] Recommended link

Per the request of JNW on August 22, 2007 to discuss valid links here, I am recommending http://sacred-destinations.com/france/chartres-cathedral.htm as a useful external link. It includes a detailed article, map and large photo gallery. HVH 10:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Having no response, I've gone ahead and added the link suggested above. HVH 13:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dedication date: Oct 17 or Oct 24?

These two sites:

both give October 17, 1260 as the cathedral dedication date. The Wikipedia article states October 24. Does anyone have a reference for the 24th date? — Eoghanacht talk 15:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ark of the Covenant

What carvings are in this Cathedral that says that the Ark of the Covenant ended up in Ethiopia?

[edit] Pitt images ?

Why are the Pitt images descrobed as 'collection partially claiming copyright for PD items'? What is in PD then? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:34, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

This was due to a misunderstanding of the copyrights claimed by the website. I checked into it recently, and Pitt doesn't claim any of the PD-tagged images are theirs. So the characterization of the site was removed. -- SCZenz 02:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] References

I have added some references (Adams, Houvet, Delaporte, Male) which may be of help. Adams is a dense book, very famous. Has been through many editions. Houvet was guardien of the Cathedral in the early 20th century and photographed virtually every piece of statuary in the building, as well as the chief architectural features. Emile Male was a famous art historian on the Middle Ages. His book on the Cathedral, trans. from French, is a combination of nice, modern photos and solid text. Andrew

The article is enthusiastic and interesting, that's nice! It would be nice though to add references, so we can learn more, and know where we can learn more about this or that specific event. Cheers! Lapaz 00:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Indeed. I would just like to know what the word "Chartres" actually means. Wahkeenah 01:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
? Chartres is a proper noun. It doesn't mean anything to my knowledge (not to be mistaken with "Charte", which means something like "charter" if i translate well). Lapaz 18:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
In other words, it obviously meant something at one time, but whatever it meant has been lost to antiquity. C'est la vie! Wahkeenah 18:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
According to the article on Chartres itself, "The name "Chartres" derives from "Carnutes"." That should help. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pilgrimage to Chartres

Chartres remains a pilgrimage site today. For the past 24 years a pilgrimage has been undertaken on Pentecost weekend from Notre Dame de Paris to Notre Dame de Chartres. Approximately 15,000 people walk from Paris to Chartres (~ 105 kilometers) over three days. For the past 14 years the pilgrimage has been sponsored by the association Notre-Dame de Chrétienté. Daily Mass is said during the three days according to the 1962 Ordo (the Tridentine Mass). Per the official booklet for the Our Lady of Guadalupe Chapter of the U.S.A., "A call to conversion, a public act of reparation to the Sacred Heart, this pilgrimage is a homage to Christ the King and to the Most Holy Virgin Mary."

Is this information incoporated into the article?--Balthazarduju 18:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Without sources supporting the importance of it, it should not. Lapaz 19:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

it's a catholic church... catholic pilgrimages to it are obviously important enough to be worth inclusion. 193.188.46.254 (talk) 05:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redundancy

IMHO the first paragraph should be removed as the same more detailed information appears in later paragraphs. Some specific facts like the square footage should be kept. What do you think? --Tatoeba 02:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crusade

the Sancta Camisia. The relic had supposedly been given to the Cathedral by Charlemagne who received it as a gift during a crusade in Jerusalem.

There weren't crusades in Charlemagne's time. Should it be "a pilgrimage" or is the legend anachronistic?

  • It's hard to imagine that a holy relic would be a fake, oui? Wahkeenah 13:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corn...

...is the dominant cereal grain of a country. It is still used that way in Europe. What we Americans call corn is properly called "Indian corn" and is called "maize" in Europe, to avoid confusion with other grains they already call corn. Wahkeenah 02:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Writing style

"There are few architectural historians who have not waxed lyrical about its soaring aisles and delicate carving." This kind of lyrical writing does clearly not belong to an encyclopedic article. It should be more to the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.35.236.103 (talk) 18:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The writing style is too baroque and at times it borders on POV and OR, especially when it endlessly praises the 'glorious beauty of the art'. I think that it definitely needs sources, but I don't think that we should necessarily remove all unsourced material yet either. I don't doubt that most historians and other art buffs who would praise the artwork, but I think that we need to leave those appraisals up to them. It's not wikipedia's place to make value unsourced value judgments on any subject. If no one objects, I'll make some rewrites in a few days, since I'm currently in the midst of doing a school assignment on Chartres Cathedral and don't really have time. Dc2011 (talk) 03:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
More to the point, it sounds like it was lifted from someplace. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I added the {{peacock}} template to the article. At the very least, someone was so moved by the cathedral they decided to write what would best belong in a documentary produced by the cathedral itself, but more likely as has been said was taken from somewhere. I don't have the time to fix it, so hopefully someone will get around to it now. --MPD T / C 21:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking of rewriting the Mona Lisa article to say, "The Mona Lisa is a portrait of a middle-aged woman, painted by Leonardo DaVinci." Anything beyond that would be... peacock. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The second paragraph is probably a little over the top, but I would hope we could keep something of its exuberance while toning it down just slightly (and citing a source or two). It paints a vivid picture which captures the spirit of the architecture in its setting, which is actually kind of refreshing in a WP article. Rivertorch (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)