Talk:Catacombs of Paris
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[edit] Missing info
Was there a reason to remove everything about unauthorized access? Some info I considered useful was lost with those edits. Also, I personally consider cataphiles to be an "integral part" of Paris' catacombs and think they "deserve" a mention & linking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.77.96.249 (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Cataflics"
I think it would be interesting to have a little information on the specialized police force that patrols the catacombs. Unfortunately information seems to be limited, and most info on the web is en francais. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.87.31 (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vagrant Story...?
I removed the mention of Vagrant Story...the game occurs in a fictional world, not Earth, and the catacombs have nothing to do with Paris. 67.9.76.108 00:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ecyclopedias doesn't advise things
What kind of a dictionary whould advise the reader to do or not do things, so i have removed "Unofficial visits to the underground quarries of Paris is an illegal and possibly dangerous activity. We neither condone nor advise such visits." Wikipedia is suposed to be neutral, isn't it?
- The quote you're referring to isn't Wikipedia's position on unnoficial visits to the catacombs. It's probably something said by the French police itself (hence the different formatting that passage has). Nobody is advising people to do things.
- Also, Wikipedia is not a dictionary.--Kaonashi 16:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Very well, what kind of ECYCLOPEDIA advises things then? I do not doubt that the french police would make such i statement but that's irrelevant. It is clearly intended to be a disclaimer.
[edit] families in the catacombs?
I've never (ever) heard of any 19th century families living in the catacombs, is this documented somewhere? I suspect it's just a rumor. -- hibou 09:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] tagging
This is a slang term that the average Wiki reader can be expected to know. The sentence should be made less opaque.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kdammers (talk • contribs) .
- Dealt with it.--Drat (Talk) 08:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure graffiti is specific enough, since in the catacombs a clear difference is made between art (murals, etc.) and tagging, which is usually just a name scrawled across the walls. Also, there is an effort made to search out & appreciate older graffiti (for example, the 1855 inscription "Vive Napoleon III Empereur" - "Long Live Napoleon III, Emperor"), which is seen as a part of the catacombs' history. (by the way, I am IP 82.98.9.227, I made a lot of the recent edits to the page) -- hibou 09:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Catacombs Today
I made some extensive editorial changes to this section in an attempt to improve organization and also to remove some colloquial language. I might also suggest that the stub on cataphiles either be merged with this one or deleted altogether. --Todeswalzer 06:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your revisions! Personally I think the cataphile subculture is fascinating and deserves its own page. Though of course I may be biased! To flesh it out a bit, the page could also contain examples of tracts as well as some of the really excellent underground photography that's out there -- such as Chuen Li Chan and her light effects as seen in her book. It could also have a bit about the evolution of the cartography (see this site) and a more extensive bibliography. -- hibou 16:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sewers, Metro?
I was in the Catacombs for about 15 times or so over this last summer, and I'm willing to add more info if someone can perform some editing for me. Also, as far as I know, there are no entrances from any sewers or metro, though there is one on an abandoned train line. Also, one should also be careful, a lot of Cataphiles don't want this information up. :\ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DWRZ (talk • contribs) .
- Can you provide some useful, reliable sources? Writing based directly on your own experiences is original research. As for those who don't want the info up, too bad for them.--Drat (Talk) 08:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. The explographie map doesn't show any entrances besides the Petite Ceinture and manholes that lead from the surface all the way down. However, the explographie map does get some entrances wrong (on purpose because it is a publicly available map and the Cataphiles do not want the IGC to close those down), there are other maps (Plan Despe, for exmaple) that show correct entrances, none of these come from the Metro or Sewer either. The Atlas du Paris Souterrain (available from Amazon.fr, considered one of the "Bibles" of the Catacombs) also shows how the networks (sewers, metro, and galleries) are completly separate from each other. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DWRZ (talk • contribs) .
- You're not completely correct. There are places in which the networks overlap. And even the Despe (let's say the Giraud-Lafuine-Despe, slightly more correct) doesn't show every entrance. Or even every room. So keep in mind that just because you haven't used a certain entrance does not mean it doesn't exist :D -- hibou 09:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Main Point:Yes, I'm aware of Despe not showing every single entrance or room. I'm not basing this fact on my own experience, I've used only about 5 entrances/exits in the Catas. In terms of reliable resources and not personal experience or MYTH....there is no Documented entrance from the sewers or metro. I'm just wondering where is the supporting evidence for the contrary? Personal Experience: The networks do not overlap as far as I know (looking at Documents), they are meters apart. There are places where the sewer leaks from above into the tunnels, but that's not an entrance. In addition, as far as I've known from the Cataphiles I've asked... there are entrances from the street, from the PC, from a parking garage, etc. but not from sewers or metro.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DWRZ (talk • contribs) .
[edit] photos, important geographical points, legends, themes, etc.
I'm very willing to share some photos, as well as discuss certain famous locations in the Catacombs. The "Atlas du Souterrain de Paris" offers a pretty interesting way to do this, as does urbanadventure.org. I'm open for ideas, I have several random passages written down, but I've never written an article on wikipedia before. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DWRZ (talk • contribs) .
[edit] missing info
I visited the catacombs last month, and I am wondering a couple things that I figured would be in the article. Is burial in the catacombs continuing to this day? If not, when did it stop? If so, how is it decided who gets moved there? Also, approximately how many people's bones are currently down there? Can anyone add this info to the article? Thanks, Doctormatt 21:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't state the source of this right now, but if I remember correctly: Bodies were only moved in one period, I'm pretty sure it was during the 1780's. The number I remember was 6 million dead, but that's less certain, I need to check again. No more bodies have been moved in the last century for sure, in the 19th century maybe, but unlikely... As for who got moved down there... I think they just picked certain cemeteries (I remember one cemetery was "of the innocents"), probably people who were not very important. Hope this helps. -DWRZ 17:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. Yes, if we could get references for that kind of information we could add it to the article. Anyone? -- Cheers, Doctormatt 22:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I can help here - remains from condemned Parisian churchyards all through the 19th century, and the spot was used as a temporary morgue during the 1870 "commune" revolution (but I doubt any of the bodies stayed there). I'll check my sources and make some updates soon. THEPROMENADER 06:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Catacombs vs. Carrières
The entire Parisian sub-terrain tunnel network is popularly called "the catacombs", but since this is an encyclopaedic publication, I think it important to make a distinction between the catacombs cemetery, or "catacombes officielles", and the rest of Paris' renovated mines, "les carrières". This way we could not only retain all verifiability (reference works refer to Paris' underground in this way - unlike "popular" web-sites and personal pages), but make some room for some elaboration about the origins of the "Porte d'Enfer" underground cemetery - its Les Innocents cemetery origins, for example.
Perhaps we could move everything "K'ta" to a "Kataphile" (or "Cataphile") article - as the nocturnal habits of the same concern more the person than the history of the place. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 06:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- As it doesn't seem to pose any problems to other contributors, I'm going ahead with the separation - problems such as the Météor Line 14 do not concern the catacombs, but rather Paris' abandoned carrières in general. All the same, feel free to comment. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 08:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] L'Empire de la Mort / The empire of the Dead
I heard this name as a specific place/catacomb in France and I cannot find mention of it in the article. I was wondering if there was a reason for this. Just another guy trying to be a Chemical Engineer, Nanobiotechnologist, and Mathematician (talk) 22:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
