Talk:Castilian people

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Onofre Bouvila 00:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cantabrian people

The administrative inclusion of Cantabria in Castile during a period of the history is a fact that although with tinges, cannot be discussed. Nevertheless I don’t agree absolutely in the ethnic “castellanity” of the Cantabrian population, shortly:
- Genetic studios: "Even today, Cantabrians (the Pasiego included, Lebaniegos excluded), at the North of the Iberian Peninsula, seem to be a genetically well differentiated community, as deduced from uniparental and autosomal markers, perhaps to a higher degree than their neighbours, the Basques". [[1]]
-First “historical” inhabitants of Cantabria are celts, while in most of Castile they are Iberian people, later we have to add a degree of much smaller romanization in the mountains, a little visigotic control and a null Muslim penetration behind the Cantabrian Mountains.
-Culturally, there is a completely different way of life in a mountainous and coastal region with abundant precipitations and smooth temperatures, as opposed to a dry interior plateau with great variations of temperatures.
-Finally, the perception of almost null castellanity. Historically, still with Cantabria in Castile, was obvious the difference between The Mountain (Cantabria) and Castile (ej: I´m going to Castile to…) and also there was different between being Montañés (Cantabrian) and Castilian (people from the plateau, on the south of The Mountain).

With this I don’t wanna give the idea that Cantabrians are a separate race, but if we speak of cultural and “ethnic” groups of Spain, not only separate by ancient kingdoms or “national realities”, but also by natural regions, and is obvious that the Cantabrian Mountains has represented during centuries a great barrier. In fact, within the own Cantabria, the “pasiegos” represent a differentiated ethnic, cultural and linguistic group that has been object of many studies. Equally Cantabrian and Asturian people probably form a group more homogenous than the one here proposed.

With this I request to retire cantabrian people of the article castilian people.
Uhanu 02:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess the basic test is whether Cantabrians consider themselves Castillan. I'm not sure whether they do, I have never been there and am not very familiar with their culture. But the same ambiguity goes for Manchegans. I am not sure that their Castillan "ethnicity" is beyond doubt as it says on the article. For one, the dialect of Spanish they speak is categorised as "Castellano meridonial" together with Extremeño, Murcian and Andalusian. Also la Mancha was historically part of the Kingdom of Toledo. --Burgas00 15:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I so much preferred Peter Paul Rubens' painting of Teresa. His genius as a painter captured her determined spirit. Mystic, terrific writer, but also tough and down to earth: very Castilian. Provocateur 08:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)