Talk:Carmine Appice

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Certainly Carmine Appice is a true legend in the rock world and a big influence in countless musicians, and certainly this article should address his acomplishments. But the current format and information on this article is poorly edited, lacks an impartial POV, and definitely resembles more a fanzine article than a clear and objective Wikipedia entry. The article also doesn't cite any of its information sources.

Ǣ I started editing this article for grammar and style problems, but realized that it needed a whole makeover. I would suggest to the editor who expanded the article the following:

   ȳ Reorganize the article such that there is 
       Ǣan intro paragraph (include demographics, whom he was influenced by and whom he has influenced, e.g.) followed by 
       ɧ A synopsis of his history as a concert band drummer from Vanilla Fudge to today. The links to the various bands can flesh out some of the information (e.g., you don't have to mention minor reunion tours for Vanilla Fudge if that site mentions them). If it's as complicated as it looks, consider a timeline, e.g.,
           19?? - 19?? - Vanilla Fudge w/ "other musicians"
           19?? - 19?? - Cactus w/
           Etc., etc.
       ɓ History as a studio musician songwriter (include mention of top hits), 
       ɓ Summarize his educational ventures (but avoid advertising them because this will be against WP policy.)
       ǣ Concluding paragraph might include Rock Drummer quote.
       ȳ Discography
   ɧ  Avoid superlatives unless you are able to quote and cite reference. (This will help maintain the appearance of Neutral Point of View)
   ɥ  Provide references for statements. I would review the Wikipedia policy for biographies of living persons.

I hope this is helpful.--Fortheloveofhampsters 02:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


Is there a cite for him working with Pink Floyd? It sounds most unlikely.209.43.8.126 14:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Michael Z. Williamson

Appice discusses working with Pink Floyd in this interview :

http://rocknrolluniverse.com/rocknrolluniverse_387.htm

He's also listed in the credits for 'A Momentary Lapse Of Reason' album. Hope this helps.

[edit] 'Set the Foundation for Heavy Drumming'? Inappropriate Aggrandization

Why is Appice considered so influential? His drumming, at least mid 70's and beyond, is straight forward rock. Was he the first one to play like this?

Despite my being a fan of many of Appice's music projects, I must object to two things...
1 - The quote -(He) "set the foundation for heavy drumming ... before Bonham, before Ian Paice... before anyone else." —Rick Van Horn, 1999 Modern Drummer magazine - may have been said about Appice, then printed, but that doesn't make it true. Ringo Starr was the 1st heavy rock drummer (I wonder if this point is even arguable - heavy pounding drums weren't ever seen in rock before The Beatles, & even if they were, Appice cannot be seen as the originator of the style, no matter how many quotes are culled from magazines &/or other publications).
2 - The Carmine_Appice#Realistic_Rock_Drum_Method reads like an ad. Sure, mention it exists as an inclusion of his released musical projects, but the rest reads like a sales pitch. IMO, if it isn't THE best selling drum book or in the Top 5 or Top 10 or other quantifiable qualifier, saying it's 'among' the best sellers is inappropriately vague for a wikipedia article. wbm (talk) 22:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)