Talk:Carlos the Jackal

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[edit] involved in Entebbe?

The entry to `Operation Entebbe' seems to indicate Carlos was involved, but this page says he was not involved.

[edit] Shift from NPOV to Disputed

I have changed the template added on 2nd April '05 without a comment as it seems relatively good for NPOV but there are the above factual disputes L-Bit 09:01, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why is this disputed?'

It seems to me that the above critiques are groundless. Anyone who reads this or the 'Operation Entebbe' page and can't tell that Carlos was not involved, is an idiot and should not be using a computer. Both pages are quite clear.

As there doesn't appear to be anyone now even claiming Carlos' involvement in Entebbe or Munich, I've rewritten to make it clear that he wasn't involved, and removed the disputed tag. David | Talk 4 July 2005 18:58 (UTC)
Yeah, I followed the article's history and agree with your actions.

[edit] Former terrorist?

Should the article say former terrorist? That doesn't sound encyclopediac. It also implies he's given it up, which I think is a suspicious claim to make, considering he's in prison. Was Tookie a murderer or a former murderer?

Whether Tookie was a murderer or former murderer is completely POV. Although you could base the claim that he hadn't killed anyone in over 30 years. Plus, he's dead. So technically, he can't still be a murderer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.164.53.89 (talk) 20:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
OP is right - Former terrorist sounds like he's handed in his notice, or changed his ways. Convicted Terrorist is probably better. Monkeyspearfish 13:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] guerrilla warfare school in Havana?

if I remember it right, yallop found out this is just another misinformation about the myth "Carlos".

Harvey Kushner, Encyclopedia of Terrorism, pg 321. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 21:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam?

Why is he listed as a convert to Islam when it doesnt say anything in the article? Tec15 17:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

Because he converted to Islam. Wikipedia is extremely bad on religious issues or mentioning the religious histories of people. Because of that it failing to mention his conversion doesn't mean much. If you need sources on his conversion see the following links.

I think he's also a former Catholic, in that his mother baptized him and sent him to Mass, but I couldn't find enough support for that.--T. Anthony 09:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruce Willis movie "The Jackal"

Why is this noted on this page? The movie was based on a character in the book (as per the note on this page), not the subject of this page, Carlos. So what's the relevance? Sans objection, in three days I will remove this note from this page. (It is already noted on the appropriate page about the book.) --BakerQ 15:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move

I've moving the page to reflect the more widespread name used to refer to this man, Carlos the Jackal. --Irishpunktom\talk 15:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

If a move is done, should it point to "Carlos the Jackal" instead of "Carlos the jackal" (lowercase 'j')?
Secondly, I feel that the name of the page should remain his own first name, with a redirect from "Carlos the J(j)ackal" pages. (Unsigned comment by User:Bakerq)
I think the article should be named "Carlos the Jackal", not "Carlos the jackal". The upper case "J" is pretty well universal, including throughout this very article. Probably this is just a typo, but I'll wait for a day or two in case anyone objects. If nobody does object, I will move it to Carlos the Jackal.--A bit iffy
Agreed & moved, but need help fixing double redirects. ←Humus sapiens ну? 07:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
It's a proper name either way you look at it so of course it would be capitalized. It's like not capitalizing the name "God" because you don't like Christianity. Who cares? You're still referring to a specific name.

[edit] Robert Ludlum

Carlos the Jackal has *nothing* whatsoever to do woth any of Robert Ludlum's "Bourne" books so i took it out. 211.31.12.195 08:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

-- How do you figure? He (Ilich Ramirez Sanchez) is named specifically in the preface to "The Bourne Identity". 66.130.14.63 04:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

-- His name was used for a major character in the books. I actually didn't know he was a real person until I read about his appeal in the news!

[edit] "Carlos the Jackal"

I moved the page from "Ilich Ramírez Sánchez" to "Carlos the Jackal" because he's far better known by the latter name and according to Wikipedia policies, we have to use the most common name as title for the article. bogdan 17:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Cribcage 17:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Day of the Jackal References

All of the Day of the Jackal references may as well be removed from the article. Carlos the Jackal has *nothing* to do with the character of Charles Calthrop in the book. The only relation is in fact Cha- from Charles and Cal- from Calthrop combine to make 'Chacal' the French for Jackal, a nick name adopted by the assassin character. In the least, it's annoying. At worst, it's downright misleading.

[edit] Wife or Fiancee

At one point in the article it says he is engaged, in another it says wife. Anyone know which it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.211.224 (talk) 21:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

I changed "self-proclaimed leftist revolutionary and mercenary" to just "self-proclaimed leftist revolutionary"; I just finished reading Follain's biography, and in one of the final chapters Carlos is quoted as explicitly calling himself a revolutionary but not a mercenary. --AdamSommerton (talk) 21:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hans-Joachim Klein and the RAF

As far as I know, and as is mentioned in German Wikipedia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Joachim_Klein), Hans-Joachim Klein was a member of the RZ, not the RAF / Baader Meinhoff Group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvanheus (talk • contribs) 18:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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