Talk:Cardamom bread

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[edit] Swedish name

What is the Swedish name for this? Badagnani (talk) 05:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I question the merit of keeping a separate article for this topic. I live in Sweden and I have certainly eaten cardamom rolls/bread/buns/pastry before, but it is not as established as this article implies. The Swedish terms used for this are not common and can't compare with, for example, cinnamon rolls. Just try googling for kardemummabröd/kardemummabulle and compare it with kanelbulle. I suggest that this article be merged with Swedish cuisine.

Peter ^Isotalo 17:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, it's quite famous in the States. Perhaps it has declined in popularity in the original country after having been imported by the Scandinavian settlers to North America? Or perhaps it's really a Finnish cuisine item (i.e., Pulla), which Swedes also bake from time to time? I believe an article is merited, as it is a distinct type of bread/cake that is well known and widely prepared (as, for example, the Cinnamon roll). Badagnani (talk) 17:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea how common this is in the states, but the Swedish aspect of the topic seem quite exaggerated in this article. I can't be 100% sure, but the association with Saint Lucy's Day and Christmas is very doubtful since sweetened bread and buns flavored with cardamom and cinnamon (the latter being far more common) occur all year round as fikabröd (roughly: "coffee bread"). The only culinary item that is intimitely associated with Saint Lucy is the lussekat. As a Swede the distinct nature of cardamom-flavored bread strikes me as being presented here in a rather artificial way since cardamom may be used to flavor either buns, cakes or sweet wheat dough bread formed like braids. The common denominator would to me be the shape or the ingredients used for the cake/bread/bun itself rather than the flavoring itself.

While this shouldn't be interepreted as a conclusive evidence, I checked SAOB (the national dictionary of the Swedish language) for attestations for kardemummabröd, but couldn't find any. Kanelbröd, though, was attested in writing as early as 1832, and according to Nationalencyklopedin, kanelbulle has been around since the 1950s.

Peter ^Isotalo 16:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

First of all, you may be using the wrong Swedish name. Secondly, things Swedish (in Sweden) may have changed in 100 years since the settlers came to North America. For example, dancing the polka is not popular in Poland, but remains hugely popular for Polish Americans. Badagnani (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I notice that you've removed all mention of Scandinavia or any Scandinavian nations or culture. Please reverse this very poor choice of edit, as the sources do state, massively, that this is a culinary item of Scandinavian origin (either Swedish or Finnish). Badagnani (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The sources state that it's spelled bullar, bullah, or bulla in Swedish (at least by Swedes in North America). Badagnani (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

This search result does not seem to show that this is not a Swedish form of bread. Badagnani (talk) 17:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

See this result as well. Badagnani (talk) 17:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)