Talk:Canadian Forces casualties in Afghanistan

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Given this is a repeat of information at Canada's role in the invasion of Afghanistan, can't we just delete this page? Michael Dorosh 05:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

  • We need consensus on which of the two formats we want. Motorfix 12:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
    • DeleteI'd say the table looks fine, so this page can be deleted after a merge of any information not already captured by the table. Michael Dorosh 13:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
    • DeleteI would still like to see links to specific articals on soldiers that have been lost as per the original format. Other than that, the duplication is not required.Motorfix 12:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Clearify? -b 14:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Delete, per Michael Dorosh. -b 14:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Merged

I've taken the info from the other article, including the table, and put it here. I'm tired of seeing two seperate articles, and I think this would have been inevitable anyway. I also think there is enough notable discussion that this can be more than just a table - there is lots of political "stuff" going on regarding casualties that this is a viable indepdenent article - also due to it length now. We will need to source stuff and my start on it will need a cleanup.Michael Dorosh 13:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

This is a list of fatalities, not casualties. We could change the title to reflect that. --M4-10 18:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. We should expand to provide information on the other casualties - wounded, PTSD, etc.Michael DoroshTalk 18:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Good luck finding that information! --M4-10 18:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
The PPCLI have a book out on their intial deployment in 2002. I realize information will be hard to come by (rightfully so) during the war itself, but at some point will be made public information. I am sure some journalist will be doing a major story on wounded soldiers or PTSD sooner rather than later.Michael DoroshTalk 18:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] friendly fire

What percentage of all the casualties so far were friendly fire incidents? --Sonjaaa 22:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Very low - I don't know that the number of wounded has ever been published though. Why do you ask?Michael DoroshTalk 22:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


Sorry I meant the percentage of actual deaths... not just injuries.--Sonjaaa 22:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

That information is in the table in the article.Michael DoroshTalk 00:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] april 22 incident

I'm trying to add unit info to the entry for the april 22 incident, but I'm having a hell of a time with the formating. If someone else wants to take a stab at it, here's the code:

feel free to delete this section once the problem is sorted out... Mike McGregor (Can) 15:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You didn't leave out the rowspan="3". That's telling wikipedia that whatever comes after the next | should take up the next three rows of the table. --Bobblehead 15:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll figure this out yet! ; ) Mike McGregor (Can) 20:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] interesting stat.

I heard a stat being thown around on the news yesterday indicating that a Canadian solder in Afghanistan is about six times more likely to die then his/her Amarican counterparts in Iraq. If I can find a source for this, I think its worth including. Thoughts? Mike McGregor (Can) 11:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It's probably more a function of numbers. There is only a couple of thousand Canadian troops in Afghanistan while there is over 150,000 US troops in Iraq. So if one Canadian soldier dies in Afghanistan that means there's a 1 in 2,000+ chance a Canadian soldier will die, but in order to get that 1 in 2,000+ for Iraq the 75 US soldiers would have to die. Granted, both numbers are higher than that but when you take into account the number of US troops that have been stationed in Iraq vs the number of Canadian troops that have been stationed in Afghanistan, the numbers game continues to work against Canada. --Bobblehead 17:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I Was trying to add some thin to the table but mess up can some fix it thanks :)

Done. -=Straxus=- 03:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photographs of memorial

There is a very well-put-together memorial in Kandahar for the Canadians killed in this country so far. Would a photograph of that memorial be appropriate here? Flakeloaf 18:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes! If you got it, upload it. -b 19:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Casualty Statistics

What is the opinion on adding the hometowns of each of the casualties?

Coming from within the ranks of the CF, we see a disproportionate commitment from certain regions of Canada. This does not signify a lack of commitment from other areas, just a greater social-military relationship in the others.

There is no intent to blame other provinces or regions for not "supporting the cause." I would like to tribute the guys that do the job by providing more detail of their lives than just being statistics.

Any opinions of whether or not I should take this endeavor?

(Psyklek 03:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] useful site?

I just stumbled on this and thought it may be useful here. CSAR Afghanistan vehicle casualties Mike McGregor (Can) 12:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

That looks good as a resource. Most of the descriptions for everyone gives the type of vehicle they were in (if applicable), so it could be used just to back up this information. (Psyklek 16:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Canadian troops Hometowns

I think we should add a column for the servicepersons hometown (like the British have here: British Forces casualties in Afghanistan since 2001). I think it would add a lot to this page. I can't figure out the programming here to make that happen, so it's up to you experts. What do you all think?--RobNS 06:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look up two comments that's exactly what I said. Glad to have someone else who agrees with me. (Psyklek 19:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC))
Well I would add it, and did try to, but can't seem to successfully add the column. Can you do it?--RobNS 21:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I tried something similar, but with another page. I'll commit some time to it this week to see if I can do it, but I'm working on some papers right now. Cheers, (Psyklek 21:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC))
The column is there now with the value "hometown" to be replaced by the town's name. i think it can be left blank if needed. I guess it will just be an matter now of going through the refrenced articles and pluging the town's name into the tabel. Mike McGregor (Can) 16:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Well Done Mike!!! J Costello 18:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
[1] has the hometowns listed. I'll start at the top of the list and get some done over my morning coffee tomorrow. it looks like you started at the bottem of the list, so i guess we'll meet somewhere in the middle. Mike McGregor (Can) 05:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

This article is clean and neat in other words this article is perfect for wikipedia standars, please some of the editors here try to help us on the page of Coalition Casualties in Afghanistan.whe need help there. Thanks Miguel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.62.146.244 (talk) 19:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Civilian Deaths

I was just wondering, given the title of the article, if perhaps Glyn Berry and Mike Frastacky should be removed from the table and listed elsewhere on the page. Thoughts? Mike McGregor (Can) 17:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you. Their fates could be mentioned in a paragraph in the article. Or could this entire article be renamed to Canadian casualties in Afghanistan? Andrew647 03:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
What about the creation of a Canadian Civilian casualties in Afghanistan? Medic48 (talk) 06:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] timeline of unit deployments?

What would you guys think of some sort of table showing a timeline of when the specific units were deployed? I was thinking either by battalions or brigade group. Mike McGregor (Can) 03:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if that's covered in Canada's role in the invasion of Afghanistan. If it isn't, would it be more appropriate there? Andrew647 03:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Oops! wrong talk page... I'll post it over there. Mike McGregor (Can) 21:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canada's 78th Casualty (Sapper Etienne Gonthier)

He is being reported as receive a promotion to the NCM rank of Corporal in December. In which case, I think he should be presented as such. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20080125/ca_pr_on_na/afghan_cda_death_ceremony Medic48 (talk) 06:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC) Additional Information: http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=2558 Medic48 (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Updated the main page with this information Medic48 (talk) 02:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Canada's 79th Casualty (Trooper Michael Yuki Hayakaze)

Canada's 79th Casualty has occurred at approximately 15:45 Kandahar time today, however the information on the fallen solider has been withheld at the request of the family. I have updated the casualty count at the beginning of the article but have not added any information to the table. Medic48 (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC) [1] [2]

Heartbreaking, truly is (not the name being withheld, but the casualty itself).--RobNS 22:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Updated name with rank and name. Medic48 (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Canada's 80th Casualty (Bombardier Jeremie Ouellet)

I have inputted Bombardier Ouellet's information into the table. However, at the time of writting it, the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service was investigating the death. I have added information to specify that and that it was not combat related. Medic48 (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sergeant Jason Boyes == Sergeant Jason Boyes ==


Regarding Sergeant Jason Boyes, the description of his death says "newly arrived" soldier. This was his third tour in Afghanistan. Is there perhaps a better way to word this so that he does not sound so green? He was a friend on mine, and I know that the way it is phrased would more than likely insult him.

[edit] 1 unspecificed non-combat related death

Is the "1 unspecificed non-combat related death" left over from when details relating Major Ruckpaul were yet to be released? can that line be removed? or is it referring to another incident? Mike McGregor (Can) (talk) 17:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Totals are askew

The opening paragraph quotes the following numbers:

A reported total of 85 members of the Canadian Forces have died in Afghanistan between February 2002 and June 8, 2008. Of these, 73 were due to hostile circumstances and 10 were accidents or other non-hostile deaths. 39 soldiers have been killed in roadside bombings, 11 died in unspecified hostile incidents, 6 in RPG attacks, 11 were killed in suicide bombings, 6 died due to United States friendly fire, 6 in vehicle accidents, 1 in a mortar attack, 2 from accidental falls, 2 from accidental gunshots, and 1 suicide death.

but the numbers don't seem to add up. The 85 is correct but 73+10=83. For hostile circumstances (including friendly fire, not really hostile by definition) I count 39+11+6+11+6+1=74 instead of the 73 quoted. For other/non-hostile deaths I get 6+2+2+1=11. If others agree then someone can update the article.J Costello (talk) 15:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)