Talk:Camp Quest

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The topic looks legitimate, but the bulk of the text appears to have been excerpted from a "forthcoming book". Not sure if this constitutes copyright violation. I've added the NPOV-check tag as the text is clearly written by an advocate. --The Famous Movie Director 06:45, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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Hi. "forthcoming book" is mine. Should be at the publisher by late December.

All statements are factual, supported by external source material (links provided), and proprietary source material and personal experience. Perhaps what you object to is tone? Suggestions for editing POV are welcome. Corrections to statements of fact are also welcome.

monkeysuncle2k@netscape.net

The question of whether or not Humanism is a religion is not relevant, as it is clearly a belief system (or "life stance", the term preferred by the IHEU) and is now protected by the same international laws that protect freedom of religion, or other non-theistic beliefs (including the right to have no beliefs). Wikipedia – Humanism(Belief System)

Therefore it can not be said that Camp Quest seeks to provide a summer camp free of religious dogma, as there theory's and beliefs are there religious dogma!

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Suggestions for POV edits are welcome.

monkeysuncle2k@netscape.net

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Suggestions for POV edits are still welcome, 19 November 2005. You will have to be more specific about NPOV.

monkeysuncle2k@netscape.net

Someone's removed the POV stuff I was concerned about. I still think the entry could be more encyclopedic--at present it's one big chunk of text and should probably be divided into subheadings.
Monkeysuncle2k, please sign your comments by using the timestamp (~~~~), according to Wikipedia policy, rather than just typing your email address. It will cause your username or IP address and the current time and date to appear. Like so: --The Famous Movie Director 04:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for all your suggestions, Famous. --68.41.183.234 22:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC) (monkeysuncle)

[edit] Criticism

The Criticism section as it stands is very poor, but it certainly shouldn't be replaced by a paragraph responding to it. Discuss such things on the talk page and edit the Criticism section to a better version, with sources. I've reverted to the older version, but it should still be fixed. Also, sign your contributions on talk pages but not on article pages. --The Famous Movie Director 07:08, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comment from article moved to talk page

Since commentary is inappropriate for wikipedia articles, I have moved the following comment from the Criticism section of article itself to this page:

"Above assertions are unverifiable and Camp Quest holds them to be untrue. Camp Quest objects to slander of its name and stated purpose. Operators of Camp Quest, including the Board of Directors of Camp Quest, Inc. and the Board of Directors of Camp Quest of Michigan, Inc., have no knowledge of "supporters" (or anyone else for that matter) who "criticize religious groups for holding religious summer camps" for any purpose, and such statements are expressly disavowed.(68.41.183.234 17:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC))"

delldot | talk 08:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from article to talk page

Since the information seems very relvent to Camp Quest Canada's. I have a good way to work this into the current revised article.

[edit] Camp Quest Canada

Camp Quest Canada is a Canadian freethinker Camp modelled after the original US Camp Quest. It was created in 2004 by the Humanist Association of Canada with help from a grant from the Institute for Humanist Studies. Kathy Meidell, president of the Kitchener Waterloo Cambridge Guelph Humanists and second vice president of the Humanist Association of Canada, is its current director.

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Canada's first and only summer camp for freethinking kids.

"It's Beyond Belief!" MicahDCochran 00:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinions

This:

"Some supporters of Camp Quest criticise religious groups for holding religious summer camps, arguing that these serve only to divide children of different faiths. Arguing this way and holding a summer camp for non-believers is a double standard."

is opinionated, regardless of what truth it holds.

Please sign your comments by typing this: --~~~~
Yeah, this statement doesn't belong in the article. Who cares if "some supporters" think X? On this page we're only interested in the camp's official stance (and who are these supporters anyway?). Unfortunately it's the only critical sentence in the whole article, but I'm going to take it out anyway. The rest of the article still needs its enthusiasm toned down. --The Famous Movie Director 03:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinions

It may be helpful for purposes of accuracy if those who have never attended a Camp Quest and do not serve on the Board of Directors of any of the individual organizations NOT contribute to what they THINK this summer camp project is about. The programs, mathods, principles and purposes are set down in a canon document, and several statements made in the wiki text clearly do not reflect that canon. In some cases it is clearly wrong. Corrections will be made in the near future and regularly policed. 68.41.183.234 01:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC) (monkeysuncle)

[edit] Notability

I've tagged this page for notability. After reading the entry, and the user comments, I don't think this camp really warrents a page, or at least not one this long. The page is largely unsourced, and most summer camps don't have wikipedia entries. --Wgbc2032 00:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

That's like arguing for deleting the Mick Jagger article because "most British people don't have wikipedia entries." JCCyC (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)