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In the past I add at this site that he has a relationship, which is true. Although this, it was deleted. Can anyone say why it was deleted?

Contents 1 Real Name 2 Genre 3 Nationality 4 Calvin Harris 5 Hes Scottish for f*** sake 6 Stouffer record

[edit] Real Name

Calvin Harris is a stage name, his real name is Adam Wiles. Should the article name be changed to adam wiles and then calvin harris link to that? GarethParker 20:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Articles are generaly under commonly known names (so stage names) not birth names. See Elton John or should I say Reginald Kenneth Dwight, or Engelbert Humperdinck or should I say Arnold George Dorsey. However if you can find a reference (on the web) for his real name then add this to the article with the reference using Template:cite web. Chappy • T • C • 20:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The Only Reference I can find on the web to his "real name" being "Adam Wiles" is on some chat rooms where people that claim to have been at school with him also claim that they know him better as "Adam Wiles". No Credible Sources can be found via A Google Search. Chappy • T • C • 15:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

His real name IS Adam Wiles. Just because Google doesn't tell you that does that mean it's not true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.209.23 (talk • contribs) 00:34 24 June 2007

It doesn't mean its false but without proof it could be a rumour and rumours or possible rumours can't be added here as fact. Chappy ^T_C 13:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I also know his name to be Adam Wiles as most 18+ residents of dumfries will be able to tell you as many of my friends have worked with him and others have went to school with him, Im pretty sure theres isn't and "Proof" of this unless you post his birth certificate up here or something, but we could still put it there and put a citation needed tag beside it or something.Gavinvin (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

Electro??? - I don't think so, where's the robots?

It's most definately electroclash, especially with the 80's inspired synths. --Reubot 13:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

You pretentious twat. It's electroclash / urban assault / goa electronic speedgarage / urban electro-funk. Idiot. (Let's just call it ELECTRO, okay?) 82.163.38.26 09:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

Calvin Harris is Scottish. You can make all the usual arguments about his passport saying "British", but referring to him as such on here is simply inconsistent with the rest of wikipedia. So unless you are willing to go around the pages of every English singer and change them to British singers, leave the article alone and quit pushing your own agendas. He is a Scotsman whether you like it or not. 82.40.19.192 22:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Your passport statement proves the point. It is a general consensus on WikiProject Music that British artists should have the nationality of British, as it's what is stated on their passport. You may hate the idea of Britain be fiercely pro Scottish and want Scotland to be a completely separate however you can't change international politics. Chappy ^T_C 09:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Unless every English artist is changed to British, Calvin Harris should be referred to as Scottish in the interest of consistency. I do not hate the idea of Britain. I hate the idea of people being stripped of their identity. Citizenship is not the same as one's ethnicity or their nationality. I am a British citizen, but I am Scottish. By referring to Harris as Scottish the fact that he is British is inferred. 82.40.19.192 23:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Your talk page shows you have a history of deliberately altering Scottish born people's nationality to Scottish from British. From your talk history you seem to be offended by the fact that people identify British people as English when in fact they don't. This goes to prove my point that you dislike the idea of people having a British nationality. Just because not all articles have the nationality as British does not mean we should change all to Scottish, English or Welsh. Wikipedia is an on-going project intent providing the facts trying to standardise articles as other encyclopaedias do. To do this WikiProjects are set up to define these standards which are agreed on by all members of the project. This means that whenever a member comes across a page which doesn't conform to these standards is found then they are altered to conform with these standards. The relevant projects for this article are WikiProject Music and WikiProject Biography which use the passport nationality as the nationality therefore Calvin's nationality is British. No-one is denying that Calvin is Scottish and indeed the article states he grew up in Scotland, UK. We are simply trying to slowly ensure these standards. Please refrain from making further reverts. Chappy ^T_C 17:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I do not have a history of reverting people's nationality to Scottish from British. I ammend these pages, as the subjects were initially described as Scottish, not British. What you said implies that I go around changing subjects who have long since been described as British. Referring to Scottish, Irish, and Welsh people as British only serves to perpetuate people's ignorance. You know fine and well that most Americans see "British" and assume "English". The finer details are irrelevant.

"England" and "Britain" are oftentimes used interchangeably. That is why Andy Murray is often referred to as "English". There is nothing wrong with being English and I have nothing against people who are. It is offensive, however. Would you not be quick to correct people who referred to you as "Scottish"? Changing everyone to British benefits England, while at the same time adversely affects the other nations. I don't think you quite grasp how ignorant people are to the fact that Britain comprises more than just England.

By referring to the subjects as Scottish, English, Irish, and Welsh their Britishness is inferred. Calling them British only serves to perpetuate ignorance. The consensus on the vast majority of these pages is that people should be reduced to their nationality, not their citizenship. 82.40.19.192 16:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Referring to people as British does not benefit England. It's simply a defensive stubborn streak on your own part that sees it this way. Americans do use just English and British interchangeably but they equally use Scottish and British and Welsh and British interchangeably. They however do not use Irish and I never mentioned Ireland. The Americans know that Ireland is not part of Britain. Besides taking the American view as the view of every user of Wikipedia is small-minded, presumptuous and stereotyping. As I have said the Wikiprojects which aim to implement standards throughout the whole of Wikipedia state that the nationality should be British. As I have also said they cannot ensure all pages meet these standards as it is an ongoing constant task. Throughout charts in the world Calvin is stated as a British artist and the Charts that cover Scotland England and Wales are the British Charts therefore having Calvin's nationality as British is applying Industry (including this kingdoms own industry standards) as well as Wikipedia standards to the article. The subject of Calvin Harris' page is not sottish either, the subject is himself and the music he has created. The subject of any individuals article is themselves, their actions and their achievements. Your talk page shows you have disagreed with many people reverting your edits of changing British to Scottish. I am also not the only person to revert your edits on this article. As I have said the page does NOT deny that Calvin's heritage lies in Scotland, it simply tries to convey his nationality according to the standards set out by Wikipedia. Chappy ^T_C 17:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

"British" is inferred. What exactly are you not getting about that? How utterly ignorant can you be to say that people use "Scotland" and "Wales" interchangebaly with "Britain"? That is absolute nonsense and fine you know it. No one ever mistakes Britain for Scotland or Wales. They mistake it for England incessantly. "Scottish" infers "British". And I was referring to Northern Ireland. I think you know I was.

You keep referring to these standards, but I see no evidence of their implementation. Could you link me to where it states that these artists are to be referred to as "British"? Not that it matters. It's a nonsense rule and perpetuates people's ignorance. It's also absurd to say "Dumfries, Scotland, UK". That is redundant in the extreme, almost offensively so. I also notice you were on Gareth Gates' page and contributed to his talk page, yet he is still introduced as being "English". 82.40.19.192 21:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Insulting people is not welcomed on Wikipedia and people have been banned for doing so. You however must read your own argument to ensure you don't contradict yourself when trying to put forth your point. Stating that "British is inferred" then stating that people don't "use Scotland and Wales interchangeably with Britain" is a contradiction (I would point out that not everyone in the world would instantly know that Scotland is in Britain). I added Scotland in-front of UK in the infobox to try and compromise and also show to you I was not trying to deny Calvin's heritage. The standards are decided upon on the Wikiproject's talk pages by all of the members, to which there is no restriction on joining. You state that I have edited the Gareth Gates page yet if you actually checked I didn't visit Gareth's page, I altered a re-direct Link on the articles talk page, which you can easily reach without going to the main articles page just be clicking on the link on Leeds United A.F.C.'s What Links Here Page. You can see from my edit history at that time I was changing a lot of pages to remove the Re-direct links to the Leeds United page.
I am also surprised by you using Ireland when you meant Northern Ireland. For someone who is so determined on countries not being mistaken for others and whom becomes offended by people doing so, I'm sure the Unionists in Northern Ireland, that are as passionate about the country they are from as you are, would fiercely deny that they were from Ireland. I can however see no compromise here despite several other editors apart from myself changing this to British. You seem stubbornly determined to ensure that this article states that Calvin is Scottish rather than British. Chappy ^T_C 18:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hes Scottish for f*** sake

Will the person who reverted Calvin Harris' Nationality to British please f*** off, he is f***ing scottish, deal with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skutar (talk • contribs) 10:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Firstly you are not supposed to use Personal attacks on wikipedia according to their guidelines. If you persist then your account will most probably be blocked
Secondly, British has been agreed on by users as you can see above and the article doesn't try to deny his is heritage lies in Scotland therefore the article should be left as British. Chappy ^T_C 11:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

How come then if it is someone that is English which is also British gets called English. He lived in London for a short while I don't see why that doesn't make him Scottish instead of British... ----Skutar

On that argument living in London would make him more Brittish and less Scottish. The reason he is British is mentioned above (Wikiproject standards). Oh and to sign your comments you can use the four tides ~~~~. Chappy ^T_C 11:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

seems to me a genuine problem here if we go by consensus rather than a proper rule. Scots being a tiny ethnic minority are always going to lose this argument on wikipedia. Does that mean it is correct for most English singers to be labelled English, but most Scottish singers to be labelled British (as appears to be the case on wikipedia)? it's racism really from the majority against a minority who refuse to assimilate... strange outcome because Scots have never really viewed themselves as Brits whereas British more or less equals English to most people 82.35.59.204 06:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Concensus is the only way to create rules for article standards on a community run Encyclopaedia. Creating standards throughout the project is the only way to make it easier for users to read the articles. These standards cannot unfortunately be enfoced due to the editability of Wikipedia however wherever people can these standards are usually implemented, hence he's british here. If musicians are listed as english, they shouldn't really be they should be listed as british. Whether scottish people view themselves as British is unfortunately irrelevant to the nationality displayed here, as they are British, just like English and Welsh people are British. Chappy ^T_C 15:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

but virtually every single English musician I have looked at today is labelled as "English" whilst Calvin Harris repeatedly gets changed to "British". As any non-English Brit will tell you, this is the attitude most English people have - a successful English person is English, a successful Celt is British. But it's not appropriate for an encyclopaedia. 86.165.198.169 (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stouffer record

To Chappy84: You're doing an incredible job moderating this page! Many hats off to you. It's a minor point but I think we can combine the two Stouffer entries, the record is entitled "Da Bongos / Brighter Days" and has the following tracklisting which I'm reading off the record sleeve :-) A1: Da Bongos (Original); A2: Da Bongos (Shark & Fotr Remix); B1: Brighter Days (Original); B2: Brighter Days (Peter Presta's Looney Tune Mix). If we need a web reference the best I could find is from Hard To Find Records: http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR87644 Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplepiano (talk • contribs) 14:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Apologies, so many new users/anonymous users vandalise pages that if I can't find a source for claims I revert them. I've changed it to one release and added a reference from discogs (which has an image for the cover). Chappy ^T_C 19:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)