Talk:Californio

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This article should probably bemoved to Californio - singular - as that is the Wiki standard.

A more accurate title would be "List of Californios". [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 03:14, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
That's my fault - that list is a scratchpad and it has too many Yankees on it anyway. The article is still a stub. Other topics that the article might cover include the lifestyles of old California, the land grants and ranchos, Native American/Californio relations, the settlement of property claims after admission to the Union - anything that isn't covered by History of California article. I've been doing some California history articles and trying to add both the Indian tribe and the rancho or mission that the area belonged too. These are topics that are common to much of California history, so having one article to refer to in sub-histories would be useful. I'll go ahead and move the article to Californio, and leave the plural redirect. Willmcw 08:32, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
All that you've suggested should go into this article sounds like, to me, something that would be more appropriate for the Alta California article. The rancho information is probably something that should be added to articles on different California cities if they are early cities or have some direct connection to one of the ranchos (e.g. the Rancho Los Cerritos historical site in Long Beach, California). [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 09:57, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
You are right - that Alta California article should take most of this Californio info. I'd forgotten about it. The problem with ranchos is that some were so large that many cities were carved from even a single one. That is certainly true with Rancho los Cerritos. Maybe a Rancho article could handle some lists of major ranchos, with sublists of the places now built on them. It's not an urgent issue. Willmcw 19:21, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Your're right. A Ranchos of California article is probably the way to go, although there is still some stuff that can be put into the existing city articles. For example, mentioning that the City of Cerritos, California is named after Rancho Los Cerritos, which explains why a basically flat city is named Little Hills. A Rancho article may take some offline digging. I once tried to find a good comprehensive list of the California Ranchos online, and although I found some fairly good info for certain regions, I couldn't find anything that covered all of California. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 04:30, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

FYI, I've started collecting Rancho info and putting it in the Alta California article. Once it becomes useful it might split off into its own article. -Willmcw 00:26, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've added some information about the revolt of the Californios against the Americans in 1846-1848. I've called the section "Californio Independence" because there wasn't, as far as I can tell, a conscious attempt to create a "Republic de los Californios", but the Californios had been abandoned by Mexico. I've also added similarly worded paragraphs to the California Republic article, and the List of extinct states. Argyriou 22:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I dont care how u edit it really... as long as it gets done, i'm needing it for my homework... from:newguy298

I think this article has too many discrepencies, too much esoteric opinion and in general, a poor discription of a Californio. For those of you who believe that their was not a Spanish cultural lifestyle within the Rancheros, you don't know what you're writing, or talking about. Let me ask you (rhetoricaly) how could Juan Antonio Carrillo defeat 203 US Marines, killing 14 of them, with only 50 men? Do any of you "authors" know what a Lancer was, or how that tradition carried on in California, but not in Mexico? my advantage is that not only am I educated, I am also a decendant of Spanish Californios...(DonDeigo 22:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC))

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. Argyriou (talk) 22:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Californios and La Raza: removed edit in question

I apologize for not properly researched the claims, but there's a grain of truth in what made Californios, Hispanos, Chicanos and Mexicanos apart and similar in terms of culture, ethnicity and national identity. Here's an edit on the growing consciousness of "La Raza" and Californios are "indigenous" people of California by means of indigenous, Mexican Indian and Spanish roots.

<<The movement also spoke of Californios, Hispanos, Mexicans in Mexico and the U.S., and indigenous Native Americans belong to a singular ancestral group, of the mythical land Aztlan the origin of the Aztec people before they migrated southward to the Valley of Mexico in the 900s AD...and to justify they are "native" to the Southwest U.S. for hundreds, if not thousands of years.>>

What do others think of Californio legends and myths ingrained into the "La Raza" and "Aztlan" movements in recent years? 209.247.21.247 13:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Face it

The "Californios" were all mass-murdered, it was a holocaust. How would they vanish from the face of the Earth so quickly after 1848? I have heard about Cajuns, I have heard about Creoles, I have heard about Melungeons, but I have never heard about any sub-national American ethnic group related to the Hispanic people who inhabited California prior than the Mexican-American war. We can easily think non-White Californios mixed with the new Mexican immigrants and vanished in such proccess -but as for White Californios? I don't think White Californios vanished through marriage with White Americans. White Americans hated Catholic people and they didn't even consider Spaniards White back in that day, then they would not be associating themselves with White Californios; as well the White Californios would not marry non-White Hispanics themselves either. So, even if non-White Californios disappeared through intermarriage with recent Mexican immigrants, the White Californios should still exist as an isolated minority till the day of today because they would not have had chance to marry outside their group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrasmentium (talk • contribs) 18:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Do you really think these were all mass-murdered?, first of all, how many were these, maybe all were exiled but killed would have led to asignificant historiography in the subject. Additionally some stayed as wine landers I think, but yet there are no many sources on the topic. --Andersmusician VOTE 18:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)