Talk:Cajon Pass

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Contents 1 Still a stub 2 "Cajon Pass" Isn't 3 Sullivan's Curve 4 The former SP Line 5 Dump it

[edit] Still a stub

This article is still only 5 sentences long. In my view, that is a stub, so I've restored the stub templates onto the article. I know there is a ton of information that could be added to this article on the railroad significance alone (entire books have been written on this subject alone, such as Chard Walker's 1978 volume Railroading through Cajon Pass ASIN B0006CZTKI). A quick Amazon search shows 26 different books with "Cajon Pass" in the title. slambo 13:47, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Sandy & John Hockaday's book, The Man Who Built Camp Cajon (1996, 2004), has some very good information in it also, especially pertaining to William Bristol. - Walter Feller (still learning about editing)

[edit] "Cajon Pass" Isn't

What's commonly referred to as the Cajon Pass, through which I-15 passes, is Cajon Summit. The actual Cajon Pass lies southeast of Cajon Summit, along CA-138. See, e.g.,

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=14&Z=11&X=143&Y=1187&W=2

Look SE of "Cajon Summit" (along I-15) to find "Cajon Pass."

http://www.westcoastroads.com/california/ca-138.html

Exceprt from the second link:

"Cajon Pass, not to be confused with Cajon Summit, is located along California 138 east of Interstate 15. While the freeway passes over Cajon Summit, California 138 takes a winding route to reach the Cajon Pass summit."

Do any of the primary contributors to this article care to deal with this distinction?

--Dmjames 20:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sullivan's Curve

Is there a reason for a link to the Sullivan's Curve page if it simply redirects back to the Cajon Pass page? 71.131.211.106 18:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Eventually, it will be an article on its own; until then, a redirect to this article is appropriate. However, we can probably delink it from within this article since it is basically a circular redirect at this point. Sullivan's Curve is a popular location on the pass for railfan photography; it is named after a photographer who made the location famous (details are in Cajon: Rail Passage to the Pacific [ISBN 0870460722]; I just can't find my copy of the book right now). Slambo (Speak) 13:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The former SP Line

Is there a reason that I find nothing about the 1966 / 1967 built SP - today UP - line between West Colton and Palmdale - the so called Palmdale Cutoff. There is also no word that the old line (today BNSF) between the Stations Cajon and Summit is, with a maximum of 3.2%, the heaviest gradient in a main line in the USA. --Bigboy4015 12:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

A good reason would be that editors with reliable sources about it haven't had a chance to work on it yet. I've got a couple books that talk about SP's line, but I haven't had the time to work through them myself. On the sharpest grade question, isn't Sand Patch still in use with a higher grade? I've seen conflicting reports on that line. Slambo (Speak) 15:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dump it

I don't know what group of anonymous idiots wrote this page, but this is load of crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.135.244 (talk • contribs) 22:27, October 21, 2007

Sounds rather trollish to me. One anonymous editors "load of crap" is another editor's start-class article. Slambo (Speak) 11:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)