Talk:Cajón

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Contents 1 References? 2 Sources, please... 3 "Gunja Cajon" 4 Cuban vs Peruvian version 5 Deletion

[edit] References?

A large amount of information has been added to the "theory" section of this page without any references - can anyone verify it? - AKeen 16:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Anyone who knows how the slave-trade operated realizes that the "burning their drums" statement is idiotic. Africans were kidnapped with what they had on their backs. 24.160.136.10 11:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

El Cajon Afro Peruano by Rafael Santa Cruz published in Lima (2004) may be a good resource. As it is in Spanish I'll seek some translating assistance and see what can be gleaned from it.

I'd be glad to help. Barcovelero (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources, please...

Again, huge amounts of information that change the article keep being added. Whoever is adding them needs to cite their sources. These changes are pretty dramatic, ie turnign the entire focus of the article to the gypsy heritage of the cajon as being more important than the African one. If the above book has been used a source, it needs to be cited properly. It is the responsibility of the person who adds the information to cite their own resources. - AKeen 13:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree with AKeen here. There was a huge section on the Roma/Gypsy origins of the cajon without a single reference. I've never heard this theory being discussed in any credible source, and until one is produced, I will keep it out of the article. The reference I am using for the origins of the cajon is currently the only major study ever undertaken of Afro-Peruvian music in English, and it makes no reference to the cajon's Roma origins at any point. - Chiwara 23:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I've also just discovered that much of this article's content was taken from the website MundoAndino, which is far from a credible source. Unless another reference can be produced, I will delete these sections by the end of the day and replace them with more credible ones. Chiwara 14:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Gunja Cajon"

This is clearly poor advertising that has no relevance to the discussion of the instrument. Borohachi (talk) 07:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cuban vs Peruvian version

Isn't it that in Perú they hit on the front, there is some snare effect and there is a hole in the back while in Cuba they hit on the top, there is no snare effect and the hole is in the bottom like in a conga? Barcovelero (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The Peruvian & Cuban cajones are very similar, neither had a snare effect originally. The Spanish version first incorporated strings and is very recent (circa 1980's). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.216.16 (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

I'm concerned that this page is being used as advertising space by Kotzen drums. All the images are Kotzen images, and the paragraph about kotz cajones reads like an ad.

I would also like an explanation why the link to fat congas, who introduced the cajon to the u.s. musical market in 1992 is being removed? It is as relevent a link as the other external links. What is the justification in removing the ad?Ogunswife (talk) 07:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thet were all removed as spam. --Gibmetal 77^talk 21:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

you're missing my point...my contention with the cajon article is that it is an advertising space for kotz drums.

all the images in the article are supplied by kotz...they're all his model cajon and his endorser.

the paragraph about michael kotzen is blatant advertising.

this is not objective or particularly valuable information regarding the cajon drum.

our company introduced the cajon to the american music market in 1994. please understand that i have some knowledge about the instrument and its history in the U.S.

i'm not trying to use wikipedia as an advertising forum I AM TRYING TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT HOW IT IS BEING USED.

there should be images of peruvian or cuban cajones to depict their origin. perhaps kotz to show their contemporary evolution, although i would suggest that the fat congas cajon would be more representative, since we were the original cajon manufacturer here in the states.

the external links were not "spam." your removal is unwarranted. look to the body of the article, particularly how it reflects kotz drums.

respond please. Ogunswife (talk) 18:40, 15 February 2008 (GMT)

I agree with you in that the section on the individual manufacturer was not appropriate in the article and I have removed it. However, you state that ALL the images in the article are supplied by Kotz, is simply not true.

Further regarding advertising, most of the external links are considered as "spam" and even though I was not the one to remove them in the first place I have done so now. I have just left the links which are purely informative and have no commercial purpose.

On another note, the article is specifically about the "Cajón", if you believe a particular decendant of it is notable enough to be included in this encyclopedia feel free to start an article of its own.

Finally, please do not revert edits which have been made to follow Wikipedia's Policy without at least discussing it with other editors. Regards. --Gibmetal 77^talk 21:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

It looks like two of the external links remaining are not purely or even mostly informative. They seem to be link farms. I plan to delete them.

As for images from another manufacturer; if someone can show that the images are from a webpage then the images should be removed. I checked the main image and the author claims to have taken the photo of his own instrument. Other people are free to put their own photos up if they are better.-Crunchy Numbers (talk) 20:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)