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WP:ATHLETE is too large for football players, only the highest division is too small. I'm afraid it will be very difficult to establish an objective criteria for football players, otherwise, without it, the AfD discussions will be problematic as reason and common sense are in opposite sides. So I´ll try something :):

• Vinculate the notability not with leagues, but with clubs (the 100th club of Brazil or England is more notable than the 1st club of many nations). So a 4th or 5th level league club is more notable than a 1st level league!
  
• Not vinculate the notability of a player only with the clubs (1 game in a big club doesn't means nothing)
  

So, the rule for notability may be something like this:
1 - Players who have played for their National Teams in official competitions (FIFA or Olympics).
2 - Players that had dispute __ games (maybe 50?, more or less a regular season) for a ranked club^ (not necessarilly the same club, 20 games for Barcelona, 20 games for Milan and 10 games for Chelsea, for example)
^ - ranked club - Here is the big problem, FIFA doesn't have a ranking and the only credible ranking that I know is the IFFSH [1] and it's only a current ranking. For the past rankings I could only find the top 25. They also have an all time ranking but with only 200 clubs (it's nothing in world football). And they started their rankings only in 1991.
Well, it's only a suggestion, maybe somebody have another idea to help with this.

WP:FOOTYN (Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure) is more comprehensive than WP:ATHLETE (have competed in a high-level, fully professional league). Now we have hundreds of thousands of notable soccer players,

• As DGG well remembered, we work with guidelines, not policies, the notability of a soccer player can't be determined only by the cold use of the references, as the same club may have notable and non notable players. A player can participate in a full championship disputing only a few games, as a football squad have 25-30 athletes and in a game only 11 (or 15 with all permitted substitutions) actually plays. I think it will be reasonable the use of more objectives guides to meet notability:
• Associate the notability not only with leagues, but mostly with clubs (the 100th club of Brazil or England is more notable than the 1st club of many nations). A 4th or 5th level league may be more notable than a 1st level league!.
• Not associate the notability of a player only with the clubs (1 game in a big club doesn't means nothing). The number of disputed games makes all difference.
• The clubs may have very different phases. When may be also important.

Despite the fact that every player indicated here meets WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTYN and believing that an objetive rule is impossible, I'll use what I think is the best way to do it, the common sense:

• Adalberto Hilário Ferreira Neto - Delete - Never played for a major club, is an inexpressive beginner, maybe in the future.
• Adeílson Pereira de Mello - Weak Keep - He plays for a Brasileiro A club.
• Ademar dos Santos Batista - Delete - Never played for a major club.
• Adiel de Oliveira Amorim - Keep - Expressive player of Santos when a broken leg interrupted his carreer, also played for Urawa Red Diamonds.
• Adoniran Vinícius de Campos - Keep - Plays for a major club.
• Adonis Italo de Sá Barreto Feliciano - Delete - Never played for a major club.
• Adriano Bernardes Rodrigues da Silva - Delete - Never played for a major club.
• Adson Alves da Silva - Delete - Never played for a major club.
• Alex Afonso - Keep - Well known ex-Palmeiras player.
• Gílson Domingos Rezende Agostinho - Delete - Never played for a major club.
• Alan da Silva Souza - Delete - Never played for a major club, maybe in the future.
  Caiaffa (talk) 10:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)