Talk:Caiaphas

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Contents 1 Joseph? 2 To Do list 3 chatty 4 Peter and John did not urge silence 5 "No factual evidence"?

[edit] Joseph?

was his first name Joseph?

Yes and no. His name was Yosef (which is Joseph but with the Hebrew spelling), but in his day it was spelled irregularly as Yehosef (which also is Joseph but spelled "Jehoseph"). Presumably both were pronounced the same, but the first means "(God) will add (a son)" whereas the second seems to mean te "sword of (God's name) Yahu". --Haldrik 19:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To Do list

• Pop culture - character in Jesus Christ Superstar
• Art - Google image search for Caiaphus turned up a lot of art. I like http://www.ackland.org/tours/classes/stom.html.
• Sources - mostly the bible. Add links to specific passages.

JosephMDecock 20:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] chatty

There's a chatty reference in here referencing a "Samaritan woman" - I don't know the reference. However the aside is conversational and (I feel) inappropriate for Wikipedia.

Jesus never declares he is the Son of God [you forget the incident at Jacob's Well when Jesus speaks to the Samaritan woman] but doesn't deny the charge and makes an allusion to the Son of Man.

If someone knows what this is meant to describe, and believes it belongs in this article, please feel free to add it back in, with the proper phrasing. brain 23:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peter and John did not urge silence

"Peter and John urged silence" is a poor title for a section, considering that silence was urged upon them; they did not advocate it. D021317c 03:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "No factual evidence"?

There is mention of Caiaphas in the Babylonian Talmud and in Jewish lore. I really think this article should have more info on Jewish sources, and not spend itself just talking about the New Testament.

There needs to be some elaboration of the statement "There is no factual evidence that any Jews were involved in plotting Jesus' death". It all depends on what one considers to be evidence. One might or might not accept the four Gospels of the New Testament as historically reliable or not, and therefore accurate or inaccurate. And in the previous sentence, the article refers to "Caiaphas and the rest of the people who crucified Jesus". This is very unclear, and seems to contradict itself. If Jesus died by crucifixion, which seems certain, he was sentenced by a Roman court. Whether all this was encouraged or connived at by Caiaphas is a separate question.

Another point needs to be made, as follows. It is wildly inaccurate to say that the New Testament "was written hundreds of years after [Jesus'] death." The Gospels of the New Testament are not exactly contemporary to these events, but they date from later in the fist century C.E., not "hundreds of years later." (The first known ms. of the Gospel of John, the last-written of the four, dates from about 125 C.E.)

The Babylonian Talmud was written several hundred years after Jesus' death, but nonetheless I trust its depictions of first-century conditions in the Jewish nation. The Talmud depicts Caiaphas, and other members of the House of Annas, as extremely venal and corrupt, certainly as having no qualms about killing their fellow Jews, and that's quite consistent with the portrayal of Caiaphas in the Gospels.

There may be a valid argument that the New Testament takes an anti-semititic position, but this isn't it. On the basis of the foregoing, if the New Testament is anti-semitic for its unflattering portrayal of Caiaphas, then the Talmud must be anti-semitic by the same standards! One might as well call wikipedia articles anti-semitic for mentioning that Bugsy Segal and Meyer Lansky were Jewish, or call wikipedia anti-Italian for pointing out Al Capone's ethnicity. Tom129.93.17.139 22:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)