Talk:Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic
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[edit] Page move to "belorussian SSR"
First, it is impolite to move pages without talkingt to other editors. This article is not about some obscure person with unknown spelling no one cares. This is a country.
Second, something is wrong with your google. My search shows 10x majority for "Byelorissian SSR" in both international and English language searches. Simply "Byelorussian" also of notable majority.
Third, whatever google says, that was an official Soviet spelling of the country. We don't call the article "Ivory Coast", do we? Despite 5x google preference.
And fourth, when you are making moves, do not forget to fix redirects. There is a big "click here" popping up when you finish a move. Although in this particular case it is good that you didn't follow the rules; I would have more work to undo. And this is the second reason to talk to people first; to avoid useless work. Mikkalai 18:41, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry. My Google may have acted up. When I try it now, you're right. And I didn't fix the redirects precisely because of the possibility of such a move being reverted (in this case correctly). I would have fixed them later. Gzornenplatz 19:27, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
The title "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic" is fast becoming an anachronism. Byelorusskaya in Russian is Belaruskaya in Belarusian. And the accepted translation of both is Belarusian in English. —Michael Z. 2005-04-12 21:02 Z
- It cannot become anachronism. It was a name of a defunct state, and it was official spelling "Byelo". Even the domain of Belarus was "by" for this reason. Mikkalai 21:53, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Completely agree with Mikkalai. As it was called "Byelorussian SSR" in all English-language publications of the USSR until the end of its existance, it's obvious, that this official name will always remain unchanged, like will remain unchanged its official flag and COA. Despite, that anyone can call it whatever he/she wants now. To the domain name I should add another set of sources: all United Nations's publications issued during the period of existance of the republic, where it is mentioned (e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7] etc.). You can see, that UN doesn't change its official name in historical documents to "comply with the new fashion". Cmapm 00:47, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] belorussian SSR
I think that Jan 1 1919 it was proclaimed LitBiel Lithuanian-Bellorussian SSR. Am I correct? This "state" was later abandoned and afterwards BSSR was found. Eon 05:41, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) Eon 05:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Language
As far as I am concerned, before 1937 there were recognized 4 languages: Polish, Belorrussian, Jiddish and Russian. I read memoires of one guest who was greeted in those 4 languages at the station. Eon 05:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Relation to Litbel?
If it was created on 1 Jan, what exactly was it's relation to Lithuanian-Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (Feb-August 1919)?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Disputed
I find the whole history section highly POV. What "Belarus" was invaded in 1917 ? And wasn't it in 1939 that Soviet Army invaded Poland and "liberated" West Belarus ? --Lysy (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- I cleaned it up a bit and used text from the main Belarus article. That should help. --Ajdz 19:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Early days
Early days of BSSR were carefully censored in the Soviet Union (the rest of the world didn't care). You may guess the reason from the Socialist Soviet Republic of Byelorussia I started to write. Therefore until the whole picture emerges in wikipedia, I'd suggest not to write elaborate summaries/intros. `'Mїkka 22:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- I remember from some sources, not related to the governance of the BSSR, that it was called the SSRB. I was hoping to expand the article, at least take it out of the stub stage. I find it sad an article on a former SSR is a stub. If the lead should be left alone, then what should I focus on. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Requested Move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was ALL MOVED, per discussion below. I also moved Kirgiz SSR, which seems to have missed the list somehow. -GTBacchus(talk) 04:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems that given that the formal name for this nation was "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic", the soviet prefix abbreviation (-"SSR") shouldn't be in the full article name. Therefore, I propose to move the article to its full form, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. We wouldn't have an article about North Korea titled "DPRK", would we? --Micahbrwn (talk) 10:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
The following moves are also proposed by the same reasoning:
- Moldavian SSR → Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic
- Russian SFSR → Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
- Ukrainian SSR → Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic
- Kazakh SSR → Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic
- Tajik SSR → Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic
- Turkmen SSR → Turkmen Soviet Socialist Republic
- Uzbek SSR → Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic
- Armenian SSR → Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic
- Azerbaijan SSR → Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic
- Georgian SSR → Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic
- Estonian SSR → Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic
- Latvian SSR → Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic
- Lithuanian SSR → Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic
[edit] Survey
- Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
- Support Makes sense. Grandmaster (talk) 11:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Fine by me, but what about other 15 republics? They should all be named the same way. VartanM (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[8]
- Support Per proposition. Oth (talk) 12:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support Another example would be the Democratic Republic of Georgia and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Parishan (talk) 12:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support Looks better. Húsönd 02:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support It is my proposal, after all... :-D Micahbrwn (talk) 03:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support Some are already named in the long form, e.g., Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. They are the respective Soviet Socialist Republics which are the topic after all. As it stands now, the only word in these short-form titles is an adjective, so poor structure as well. —PētersV (talk) 21:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Support - longer formal title. The Evil Spartan (talk) 03:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Support. I always wondered about these. While they seem intuitive to folks who were of age then, "SSR" might get a few blank stares today. Good for User:Micahbrwn to make the RM effort. — AjaxSmack 06:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Support.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
- Any additional comments:
- The comment by VartanM was copied from a talk page prior to the change to a multimove request --Lox (t,c) 11:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

