Talk:Building engineering education
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The terms "Architectural Engineering", "Architectural Engineer" cannot be legally used by engineers in many countries including Canada because only licensed architects can carry a title with the word "architect, architectural,.." in it. For these countries, the terms "Building Engineer" and "Building Engineering" are well-accepted and recognized by professional engineers’ associations as well as by the general public.
Thus, I strongly feel that it is vital to maintain the identity of both terms "Architectural Engineering" and "Building Engineering" in order to give proper exposure of the discipline in all countries. Cross-references between the two main articles--as being done now--will enrich the topic coverage of both. TVBZ28 03:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree with your conclusion, but not your definition. Architectural Engineering is a profession in the US, where recognized by state law. The article provides sufficient information about architectural engineers, but essentially their role is similar to that of the architect. Building Engineering is (or should be) a "catch-all" description of various engineering professions involved in the design of buildings (mechanical, electrical, building science, etc.) as opposed to infrastructure, manufacturing, etc. I live in Canada and have never heard the term "building engineer" used synonymously as an architectural engineer in the US. The two are not the same thing.Denia06 23:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think architectural engineer should refer to the specific (i.e. the single, separate engineer/architect animal) and building engineering to the various engineering professions involved with the construction of buildings. I've started to modify both sections to help clarify. Another soution would be to merge the two headings, but keep the two aspects of the definition clearly separate. This is only a beginning and I welcome further comments.207.6.233.239 22:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- First, you appear to confuse discipline with its professionals, and then attempt to delineate the discipline along your own classification of the professionals’ activities. Second, this distinction along professionals’ activities is not reflected in any Architectural/Building Engineering programs at university level.
- I think architectural engineer should refer to the specific (i.e. the single, separate engineer/architect animal) and building engineering to the various engineering professions involved with the construction of buildings. I've started to modify both sections to help clarify. Another soution would be to merge the two headings, but keep the two aspects of the definition clearly separate. This is only a beginning and I welcome further comments.207.6.233.239 22:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with your conclusion, but not your definition. Architectural Engineering is a profession in the US, where recognized by state law. The article provides sufficient information about architectural engineers, but essentially their role is similar to that of the architect. Building Engineering is (or should be) a "catch-all" description of various engineering professions involved in the design of buildings (mechanical, electrical, building science, etc.) as opposed to infrastructure, manufacturing, etc. I live in Canada and have never heard the term "building engineer" used synonymously as an architectural engineer in the US. The two are not the same thing.Denia06 23:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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- The object of the present article is to introduce Building Engineering as a modern discipline that views Building Engineering as an advanced technology, whose myriad aspects are covered under the Category:Building engineering. You are most welcome to improve the article while maintaining this objective. TVBZ28 23:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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FYI -- over the past couple of weeks I've significantly expanded the Architectural engineering article, and have added many links to it and to the 'Building engineering' category on various other related articles. I suspect both our articles are getting much more traffic now. Anyone know if/how hit-counters can go on these articles? Thanks. FactsAndFigures 17:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not convinced
I'm not sure I buy into this definition of a "building engineer". I have worked in the industry for a long time, in Canada and in Europe, and have never heard of the definition presented in this article. I have the following comments: Firstly, it reads like a promo for a university programme (perhaps Concordia?). Second, here in Canada there is no such accreditation as a "building engineer", which is ironic given the promo is from Concordia (I do recognize there is the "architectural engineer" in some parts of the US, but I dont get that either- see talk:architectural engineering). The curriculum, as described in the article, is very much for that of a generalist, which makes me wonder what a graduate can actually specialize in since further training may be necessary. A career for the modern world? Not likely in this complex construction environment where specialists are required from everything from code equivalencies to building envelope. No one can do it all. A discipline for the modern world? No, it already exists (and has for ages)... it appears much like that of the architect, but without the emphasis on design studio. What is the point?? Having said that, I'm not trying to burst anybody's bubble- it looks like a great undergraduate degree for further study in engineering or architecture. Mariokempes 03:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I've reworked the article to focus on the discipline. Until there is verifiable proof that a professional "building engineer" actually exists (one that meets this description and is recognized), I don't think the article should mislead the reader. Mariokempes 00:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Moved the article to appropriate new heading- Building engineering now redirects to AE. Mariokempes 00:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
