Talk:Buggery

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I just redirect this to 'anal sex', its only common meaning. It has occasionally been used otherwise, though. The way, the truth, and the light 14:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

When I followed a link to this redirect and thus to "Anal Sex," I was quite surprised. The section on Sodomy#Buggery is much more fitting, except that redirects can't point to anchors. I'm going to turn this into a stub copied from Sodomy#Buggery - I'm sure there's more to say about the law, and even if there isn't, the stub will be much less confusing than the other two forms. --Brilliand 15:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Sound good, include links to both 'Sodomy' and 'Anal sex'. The way, the truth, and the light 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I checked my mind upon further research - there is already an article about the Buggery Act. I've made this a disambiguation page. --Brilliand 15:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Strike that, man I change my mind fast. I think the stub is better (mainly due to the large volume of internal links), but I don't see my way to including anal sex. It seems the term only fits as a form of sodomy. --Brilliand 15:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what country you are from, but in the UK this term almost always means anal sex. In the US it's hardly used at all. So I think not including anal sex is not accurate (that's why I changed the redirect in the first place). The way, the truth, and the light 16:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see what improvement this stub is over the section Sodomy#Buggery. How do you envisage it growing into a larger article? Also, redirecting to subsections does now work; see m:Help:Section linking and redirects, itself an example. jnestorius^(talk) 21:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, under English law, buggery was two different offences - anal sex and sex with animals. The former has now been (largely) repealed, but sex with animals is still the offence of buggery. I will include an edit in the main article to this effect. --Legis (talk - contribs) 15:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Anal sex is not considered a crime under English law, since homosexuality was legalised. Shouldn't this article make it clear that buggery is a crime when consent is not given by the other individual or the other individual is a child or animal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.69.189 (talk) 00:41, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

In England the position was modified by statute (Criminal Justice Act 1994); this article is about the common law offence. Under the common law, consent was always irrelevant. In the UK anal sex without consent would today be prosecuted as rape, not buggery, so I don't think a change along those lines would be helpful. --Legis (talk - contribs) 11:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I know I'm being enormously pedantic, but I was just reading the relevant acts up to 2000, and it seems that "buggery other than in private", which includes acts involving more than two people or in a public lavatory, is still a criminal offense. Also, surely anal sex with an animal must be included? Rafaelgr (talk) 04:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)