User talk:Brunemaid

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[edit] Paris Hilton

Welcome, and thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment further, please use the sandbox. Thank you.Capitalistroadster (talk) 23:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Paris Hilton, you will be blocked from editing. --Yamla (talk) 23:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Note I don't agree with the edit you made to the Paris Hilton article, but I'm not sure it's fair to say it is vandalism. Wanderer57 (talk) 01:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not vandalism, but it is a misunderstanding of how we evaluate sources and use them. We're trying to clear this up on Wikipedia:Evaluating sources, but most long-term editors and admins have their head in the clouds and do not understand how many editors like Brunemaid there are, and what we need to do to educate them. Instead, Wikipedia has taken the approach to warn, block, and ban these types of editors, when they are exactly the kind of editors we need to nurture. It's unfortunate, but this is what happens when you have a system that thinks hierarchical, bureaucratic institutions are the best way to run things; in fact, blocking users like Brunemaid instead of actively engaging them and educating them about the project is directly responsible for the decline of Wikipedia. When administrators actually start working with users instead of blocking them, things will change. Until then, it's downhill. —Viriditas | Talk 02:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paris Hilton

Brunemaid, if you want to talk about why the witty remark about Paris Hilton wasn't appropriate for an encyclopedia article, feel free to contact me on my talk page. First, consider the source, Sports Illustrated and the author, "Allan Muir". Second, there's the topic of the article, which was the European Hockey League, not Paris Hilton. Third, look at the statement about Paris Hilton in an article about hockey:

"Most of the other major cities lack the quality of facility that can generate the kind of income necessary to support a major league team. But calling that an impediment is like saying Paris Hilton was limited by being flat-chested. Where there's money and opportunity, improvements can be made."

The author makes a witty (but misogynist) statement comparing the lack of good hockey venues in major cities and their opportunity for growth to the size of Paris Hilton's breasts, implying that just as the wealthy Hilton could probably afford breast implants or other improvements to her image, the Hockey league can afford to augment its venues to cash in on the European market. Not exactly a brilliant statement, but this is Sports Illustrated, after all. And, there's nothing we can use in Paris Hilton. What we can use is biographical information about Hilton, written by reliable sources. Contact me for help. —Viriditas | Talk 02:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)