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[edit] Brutus of Britain vs. Brutus of Troy
I am thinking this article should be renamed to Brutus of Troy. Although he is known under both names I believe that Brutus of Troy is more common. A quick search of google reveals 160 results for "Brutus of Troy" and 82 for "Brutus of Britain". The results for "Brutus of Britain" are inflated by the several Wikipedia clones. I'll attempt to do some more research. Any suggestions from others are welcome. -- Popsracer 03:24, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- This may be one of those rare cases where calling him "of Britain" is more important than tracking which is the more common usage. First, "Brutus" is a common enough enough in ancient times, that there might be a non-mythical "Brutus of Troy" -- I don't have quick access to a copy of Pauly-Wissowa's Realencyclopaedie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft, so I'm admitting this is just a guess. Secondly, this legendary personage is more closely associated with the island allegedly named for him (Britain), than with the city where he was allegedly born. Which leads to the last point, that someone who knows about this personage (like me) would not readily associate "Brutus of Troy" with the individual Geoffrey of Monmouth describes in his book.
- If a search in Pauly-Wissowa's exhaustive work fails to turn up another "Brutus of Troy", why don't we create a redirect to this article under that name & see which one attracts more traffic? -- llywrch 04:43, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Another Brutus of Troy was said to be one of the companion of Aeneas on the journey from Troy to Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik the Red 2 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Britain v. Troy
What you say is true and I have moved Brutus for the time being. I had decided to call him "of Britain" since his namesake is rumoured to have named the island and since Brutus was never in Troy, it seems. He was, however, a Trojan exile and was among Trojan collegues first before he founded Britain, according to Geoffrey of Monmouth. Therefore I will accept your request and have properly moved Brutus over to his proper place in this list. -- KuatofKDY, 17:02 (PDT), 1 Jul 2004
My name is Richard Darlow, I have written a book about the man you are discussing as Brutus. He was born in Latium, according to Geoffrey, the grandson, or poss great grandson of Aeneas of Troy, who escaped the sacked city with his life, then took his people to Latium (modern Rome). I would agree that "Brutus of Britain" is thus a far better reference to him, although I am certain there was no historical or mythical figure in Troy called Brutus - ie. in record, our Brutus of Britain was the first to bear that name. I contend it is only a version of his name, the Latin version, which is elsewhere expressed Brut, Brwth, Brythe - the latter being nearest phonetically to the name of Britain, alongside the Trojan-Celtic tendency to end names "-os", as opposed to the Latin "-us", brought me to re-express his name as "BRYTHOS". You can read more about his story, as I have planted it in history, on my website at "thecreativeuniverse.org". There you will find lengthy extracts from my non-fictional investigative account of his life and times, called "King Brythos, Founder of Britain, First of the Arthurian Dragons" - the website extracts recall the more than the bones of the story, but they are deliberately brief for easy reading. My book goes into far more detailed discussion of the historicity of the first king of the Britons. I could thus go on to say more, but hoe you will perhaps install a link to my website so the curious may follow their noses? You have another link to a separate area of my website regarding the historicity of Moses in Egypt. Hope that is helpful.
A link to Sara Douglass would be appropriate. Her fantasy series the Troy game is based on this legend. Bhaar 23:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)bhaar
[edit] Lifetime?
When did Brutus of Troy live? JIP | Talk 18:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Brutus was not of Troy, but was descended from Trojan royalty. He lived from circa 1250 bc, born in Latium (Rome) until 1210 bc, died in Britain.
He most certainly wasn't a historical person. 78.51.114.96 (talk) 21:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Brutus Stone
In Totnes, Devon it said that he first landed in Britain there. there is a stone in the high street called the Brutus Stone commemorating this. Totnesmartin 17:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- There is also the London Stone in Cannon Street, London, which has a rich history in the scheme of the city's development. What remains is but the cap of the stone. The body of the London Stone is said to have once borne an inscription in the ancient British-Celtic tongue which was a dedication to the goddess Diana / Artemis who inspired the first king to come to these shores.
[edit] Legacy
What exactly is the purpose of quoting the Act in Restraint of Appeals? It doesn't say anything about whether or not Brutus was regarded as fact or fiction. 78.51.114.96 (talk) 22:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- You're quite right - there's nothing whatever in the passage quoted that even mentions Brutus. Quite apart from that, who says that Sir Gawain and the Greene Knight is "written in a historical fashion"? I'm going to be ruthless with this stuff. --Nicknack009 (talk) 23:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
