Talk:Brunhilda of Austrasia
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Narrowly a B. An infobox, perhaps a more contemporary picture of her, and some consistency in the references would be helpful.
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 03:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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If Brunhilda of Austrasia was born in 534 she would be older than her mid-sixties at the time of her death in 613. The spread in years would make her 79.
Her death in 613 seems to be well documented, but I believe that it is less certain that her birth was in 534. Also, her marriage to Sigebert I of Austrasia is usually said to have been around 565-567. If Brunhilda had been born in 534, this would have made her thirty-one to thirty-three years of age at the time of her marriage (old indeed for a bride in that era).
It is often said that Brunhilda was born in 534 and it is said just as often that she died in her mid-sixties in the year 613. But the math does not add up, and this discrepancy should be noted until accurate dates can be verified.
- She is usually said to have died in her eighties. Srnec 20:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
This article needs to be cleaned up a bit and given some more details. I'll do what I can. Srnec 05:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Nice work. -- Stbalbach 05:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'll second that, though the section "In legend" doesn't assort with. Wikipedia's article Burgundians which has the following text: "The destruction of Worms and the Burgundian kingdom by the Huns became the subject of heroic legends that were afterwards incorporated in the Nibelungenlied—on which Wagner based his Ring Cycle—where King Gunther (Gundahar) and Queen Brünhild hold their court at Worms, and Siegfried comes to woo Kriemhild. (In Old Norse sources the names are Gunnar, Brynhild, and Gudrún as normally rendered in English.) In fact, the Atli of the Nibelungenlied is based on Attila the Hun.'" I'm partly responsible for that text: if it's misleading, please cut it or amend it. --Wetman 09:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ingunde was NOT Brunhilda's mother, but her mother-in-law
Ingonde was not Athanagild's wife, but Clothar's, the Frankish king, and she was not Brunhilda's mother, but her mother-in-law.
Here's the source:[http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/gregory-hist.html#book4 Medieval Sourcebook: Gregory of Tours (539-594):History of the Franks: Books I-X], In the part IV, 3, it says:
The king (referring to Clothar) had seven sons by several wives; namely, by Ingunda, Gunthar, Childeric, Charibert, Gunthram, Sigibert, and a daughter Chlotsinda; by Aregunda...
I shall change the stub according to this.--Maduixa 16:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
He who wrote this article, does not know to sum! How can Brunhilda be 26 in 595, if she is born in 543? And above all, at he age of 26, she is alreadz double Grandma! This is ridiculous!!!! I will remove this ridiculous sentence.--81.184.161.63 21:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Frank?
I thought she was a Visigoth. Srnec 05:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- She is certainly a Visigoth, there is no question about it. The reason I categorized her as Frank/Frankish women is that she married one and we know of her because of the Franks. Furthermore Frankish queen consorts often played a vital role in politics and categorizing her this way provides easy and useful navigation for those interested in those queenconsorts and in the remarkable unfeminine role of Frankish women (there is no woman comparable in Visigothia or Ostrogothia). If I had known how to categorize her as Visigoth I would have done that too. Stricly speaking: at the time ethnicity and clan loyalty were focused on the male line. A woman was OWNED by her man, so she became a Frank by her marriage. johanthon 18:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- (I would dispute that women were owned by their husbands under canon law, but I suppose that tribal custom and canon law were in a sort of competition at that time.) I understand and I don't dispute it really, but I thought it odd that you would argue for such an expansive definition of ethnicity. I think somebody is going to have to create some more Goth-related categories now. Srnec 19:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
