Category talk:Browser-based games

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[edit] Recent Deletions

  • This whole category has been ripped to shreds in recent days, with about 40 odd being deleted, mainly because one guy just went through and added 'Speedy Delete' tags to them. I don't even play any of these games, but I am concerned about the implications of this category being destroyed. I think we need to protect minority interests here.

The category has been roughly halved and to be honest, i think the others would go pretty quickly under the same criteria. When they are deleting entries like Ferion, Inselkampf and Cybernations with 10's of thousands of players, people are taking some policies too far.

Anyone got any ides? Bjrobinson 15:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Copied from Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Inselkampf_(2nd_nomination) as relevant to this debate:

  • I totally agree except that we are not talking about policy we are talking about a guideline. I think we should all keep that in mind. The reason it's a guidline is to leave room for us to use our better judgment. I don't thing destroying an entire category is an example of good judgement. Each one of those speedy deletes should be up for review, IMHO. Matt Brennen 00:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • To quote Cryptic from earlier in this AfD: If a subject has no third party sources, which even its proponents do not dispute, then we cannot have an article on it. If no sources exist you can't just say 'Oh let it on anyway, 10,000 people play it.' DarkSaber2k 15:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
  • except that there are sources. Most of these games are on a lot of review sites. Why? Because that's how it's done in the business. There are no printed MMORPG magazines (that I'm aware of) and so review sites are pretty much it. Notability guidlines should take into account the fact that a MMORPG is about as notable as it is possible to get in it's field, and games like Inselkampf and Ferion are as notable or more notable than any other games of their kind. Matt Brennen 00:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree with Matt Brennen. I'm not expecting to read about this game anytime soon on the front or inner pages of The New York Times. That doens't mean its not notable. There is a whole facet of life that does not take place in the pages of a journal or magazine. --Nycmstar 00:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Nycmstar
  • In my opinion, WP:V and WP:NOR do not present a problem as this article doesnt contain facts that cant be attributed to primary sources, blogs and gaming directory entries. However the list of European online games in Wikipedia is being gutted because people are requiring RS, they want them in English, and they want them now. (see the comment above by "DarkSaber2k 15:12, 23 April 2007"). John Vandenberg 13:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
  • No reliable sources = no article. Really, that's about as simple as it is for the vast majority of these deletions. There are plenty of websites dedicated to creating attributable reviews (not user-submitted reviews), and there are lots of magazines that talk about online games (aside from obvious gaming magazines, I know large newspapers like New York Times and syndications like Rolling stone cover games). Seriously, consider the ramifications of lowering the bar for sources- any blog, forum, or user-submitted review would be treated as having editorial oversight and actual credibility, which is pretty clearly not the case. --Wafulz 16:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Pages

The following articles were deleted in what can only be described as a massacre week 21st April 2007.

  • Xenocide rpg
  • histdiffWorlds of War II
  • WEBoggle
  • Visual Utopia
  • Ultimatearcade.com
  • Tribal Wars
  • Travian
  • The Last Knights
  • Territory War
  • TV Stocks Online
  • Sunday League (game)
  • Starships!
  • SlaveHack
  • Senior League Hockey
  • Realspace 2
  • Realms of Mayhem
  • Race War Kingdoms
  • Prophecy of Victo
  • Planetia
  • PimpNationals
  • Need For Madness?
  • MotherLoad
  • Midnight Terror
  • ManagerLeague
  • The Lord Archmage
  • Lands of Hope
  • Inselkampf
  • ITSAGOAL
  • Horse Isle RPG
  • GHO-Trader
  • Freekick
  • The Five Pillars (Online Game)
  • Ferion
  • Evolution (MMOG)
  • Down town mafia
  • Disposal project
  • Dead Awaken
  • Inselkampf
  • Cybernations

[edit] Comments

  • This page makes no sense. 1st, why do oGame and NeoPets have their own subcategories?

Second why is Alien Homonid listed here? its a console game...

  • Championship Manager Online is a browser based game that should be added to this list. (www.cm-online.com)
  • Wow, you hated inselkampf enough to delete it twice? Way to go.
  • What do you have against inselkampf?