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[edit] Merge Öchsle scale and Baumé scale into Brix

Oppose. Not under Brix. Could see merging all into Wine and brewing hydrometry. No. That doesn't work. How about Wine and beer hydrometry? No. Wine making and brewing hydrometry? No. Oppose awaiting better title. --Saintrain 11:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Brix and baume are not limited to wine making and brewing either. GraemeLeggett 12:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind working on a better title but could explain why Brix is unacceptable? Agne^Cheese/^Wine 18:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

They measure the same thing, but they're historicaly and geographicaly different. Similar to lumping tham all under Öchsle. Fahreheit and Rankine aren't (I hope; well shouldn't be, anyway) lumped under Celcius. How about Sugar hydrometry? Yuch! Sucro-hydrometry? Yuch!!! --Saintrain 21:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I can see that point. I do think there should be some type of merge because I really can't see any of the three articles becoming more then a stub-especially since they are all essentially about the same thing. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 06:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose, also. Although they're all technically measuring the same thing, they have different histories and and are slightly different in their connotations. I can see merging the three in to a single article, just Brix isn't the right choice of title for it. Although, I'm kind of at a loss as to what would be the right name. --- The Bethling^(Talk) 06:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Brix doesn't look like a stub article. Its not a long article but I'd say it has most the elmeents of a proper article.GraemeLeggett 09:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Strongly oppose. The Baume measures of density are totally unrelated to the Brix measures of sugar concentration. Gene Nygaard 14:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Merge Destinations

How about Hydrometry? Agne^Cheese/^Wine 06:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

that is a redirect to hydrometer, at the moment. since I made it one anyhow. GraemeLeggett 09:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Well then how about a merge into hydrometer? Agne^Cheese/^Wine 09:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hydrometer is only the device, and there are other ways of using the scales eg refractometry, trombone like sections of pipe in a continuous process stream.GraemeLeggett 09:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There's an existing article called must weight - my preference would be to expand that with a series of sections on the systems for measuring must weight in Germany, Austria etc, redirect Oeschle scale etc into must weight, and then if need be have a {{main|Brix}} etc heading for the more general measurement systems. FlagSteward 00:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

As pointed out above, Brix is used in contexts other than measuring must weight -- brewing usage might even outweigh winemaking usage? More generally, I don't see the point of merging these articles, they are all still developing and should be left in peace until there is a clear reason to merge or reorganise. I suggest removing the merger proposal. --Ott2 16:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Articles like Öchsle scale have been "developing" since 2005 and are still no more then a stub. I think there are inherent limitations in the subject matter that would be better served in a collective article on the topic rather then a scattering of stubs. There is not much potential for these articles to develop further and I think Flag Steward's idea of merging to the scale articles to must weight with a link to Brix is probably the best. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 18:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It would be an excellent idea to expand the article on must weight to include a comparison between different measurement scales and how they are used in different wine-making countries. However, at least in the case of the Öchsle scale (which was the reason I ended up on this discussion page) it features so prominently in German wine classification and debate about it that it definitely should have its own article. I therefore oppose a merger. Tomas e 13:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose any merger, but the degrees Baume have a commonly used spinoff variant known as degrees API which are commonly used for the density of crude oil. Gene Nygaard 15:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brix: Antoine or Adolph?

A quick google around seems to indicate that "Antoine Brix" actually was Adolph Brix; Antoine Baumé was the developer of the Baumé scale. However, there is now a growing perception that Brix was called Antoine (partially due to this page perpetuating this version of events). Could someone establish the correct version? --Ott2 14:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ott, I went through the revision history and it appears you accidentally included it in your second edit, I'm going to change it to Adolf. Jonathan888 (talk) 20:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Ouch. Thanks for fixing. --Ott2 07:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)